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#871 OFFLINE   dean36014

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:19 PM

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If you've got one of these types of cigar lighters, then it's probably the issue.  There's an inner and outer casing with a moulded-in screw thread so as you tighten it up it both earths and clamps itself to the trim panel. When they come unscrewed, they don't earth reliably and then start causing weird issues.  Mine started with occasional loss of power at the lighter and developed into disco party lights when trying to indicate or brake and eventually loss of electricity when the car was left to its own devices.

 

I don't know how better to describe it.

Wonder if this is the case of the mystery drain on my daily BX. It seems to have a lighter like this which is temperamental to use. I might rip it out and replace it and see if this cures it. i=It needs a new one anyway.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:46 PM

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Wow, that looks black magic alright.
Can you bring it over real quick, please?
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 01:48 PM

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If you've got one of these types of cigar lighters, then it's probably the issue.  There's an inner and outer casing with a moulded-in screw thread so as you tighten it up it both earths and clamps itself to the trim panel. When they come unscrewed, they don't earth reliably and then start causing weird issues.  Mine started with occasional loss of power at the lighter and developed into disco party lights when trying to indicate or brake and eventually loss of electricity when the car was left to its own devices.
 
I don't know how better to describe it.


That'll be the last thing I check, though, since it's a dashboard out job including disconnecting the Phamous Phlap cable.

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Posted 07 December 2017 - 03:36 PM

Same.  But I'm pretty good at removing and refitting Princess dashboards now.  I reckon I could compete at an Olympic level in fact.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 05:48 PM

I replaced the battery. It's not a Parisian one.


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 09:32 PM

See.

 

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Posted 12 December 2017 - 11:34 AM

Turns out it was the battery and nowt else. Five days in and there haven't been any more issues.

To the contrary, the volt meter is now occasionally in the green, something that has never happened before

and the fuel gauge suddenly works.


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:18 PM

That is most vexing. All those symptoms suggesting something else. Perhaps the knackered battery confused the charging system? Anyway, glad it turned out to be a simple cause.


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Posted 12 December 2017 - 05:27 PM

Volts don't start a car, raisins do. Or currents.

You can have a battery showing 13v, 14.4v, whatever, but if the capacity has all fallen out it won't crank. Try starting a car off 8 AA batteries and see where you get, cos that's also 12V.
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Posted 12 December 2017 - 07:28 PM

This is all beknownst to me. I do know the difference between voltage, current and power, believe it, or not.

 

But that gauge in the R16 dashboard, that was in the red since the car was picked up (see curlection section) is a V-O-L-T-M-E-T-E-R,

the reason for which only a few dead Frenchmen know. Note: I didn't put it there, they did! I would have put an ammeter there, like any

normal person.

However, after changing the battery, it went into the green for the first time since I have the car. This indicates two things:

 

- that the old battery was dying a slow death since June.

- that there is sod all wrong with the charging system.


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Posted 13 December 2017 - 04:10 AM

However, after changing the battery, it went into the green for the first time since I have the car. This indicates two things:

 

- that the old battery was dying a slow death since June.

- that there is sod all wrong with the charging system.

 

Or it has co-incidentally been over a bump and started working for a change.

Or has secretly been worked on in your absence by French electrical elves (that weren't on strike).



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Posted 13 December 2017 - 09:45 AM

A bump is something you experience in newfangled tosh.

There is no such thing as bumps in the parallel R16 universe, so it must have been not unionised French elves.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 02:33 AM

Renault kept up tradition and my GTA has a voltmeter also. I would have preferred an oil pressure gauge.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 03:11 AM

You can't beat an ammeter and a dynamo/weedy alternator. Like your own little landslide election swingometer. 


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 08:22 AM

Or it has co-incidentally been over a bump and started working for a change.

Or has secretly been worked on in your absence by French electrical elves (that weren't on strike).

A bump is something you experience in newfangled tosh.

There is no such thing as bumps in the parallel R16 universe, so it must have been not unionised French elves.

 

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:44 AM

Renault kept up tradition and my GTA has a voltmeter also. I would have preferred an oil pressure gauge.

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Nah, oil pressure gauges only cause anxiety.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 12:38 PM

The warning light sometimes doesn't come on though. I find worrying about that creates more tension than knowing a gauge might go to zero at any time.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:08 PM

You have obviously never watched a P6 V8 OPG in heavy traffic, including light come onnage.

I'm too old for that kinda shit.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:28 PM

Been there, done that. Oddly mine (well, the engine was from a P6B) never hit 0 in hot stationary traffic, even with the low idle from the automatic gears in Drive. Oil cooler helped.

Then again, if the gauge hit zero on the Renault it would likely launch a conrod into orbit, whereas gentle application of loud pedal in the P6 would cause the needle to come off zero and continue to operate happily.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:51 PM

Then again, if the gauge hit zero on the Renault it would likely launch a conrod into orbit, whereas gentle application of loud pedal in the P6 would cause

the needle to come off zero and the temp gauge going into the red.
 

 

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Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:52 AM

The R16 has hitherto been plagued (since the day I bought it) with a slightly hunting idle and it occasionally has phases when it just stalls on tickover. Since it is always running fine when I have time to look into the issue, there is actually nothing I can do. I mean, I can't fix something that's actually working most of the time.
My reluctance to just rip the carby apart and give it a right old clean out is furthered by the fact that I own the only two existing examples in the world and no rebuild kits are available for them. (For those who think they are smarter than I am (there is always one), they are Solex EIE 70774, have fun)
 
However, something weird happened on the drive back from Glossop yesterday.
As the people who actually went there may have noticed, the weather conditions were slightly less than ideal. So on the way back, I hit a stretch of flooded road full pelt, since the advanced Cibie lighting technology employed did not allow for me to spot it in sufficient time to appropriately adjust velocity. After about 40 yards of what must have looked like an old super eight of Joginder Singh fording a river in Kenya and sure would have rendered any Rover P6 deadlined for at least three weeks and limping for half a year thereafter, the R16 eventually reached dry land and after the spray had settled ran noticeable better!
Tickover was silky smooth and totally stable for the first time in my ownership.
 
Shall I book this under R16 parallel universe and fill the dizzy with water?
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Posted 03 January 2018 - 08:37 AM

French car that self repairs... i was hoping for something interesting to read over my third cup of morning coffee.


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 08:53 AM

obvious hauntage coupled with car suffering home sicknesses and SAD


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Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:58 AM

Washed out the gremlins, clearly.
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Posted 03 January 2018 - 10:02 AM

Ah, I may try this approach with every car I have!

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 06:17 PM

There has been a slight semi-FTP, which means a trip had been abandoned after a few miles and the car returned to home,

due to a non op heater in conjunction with the generic 'quelque chose est baisée' light illuminating.

 

Investigation revealed a heater pipe split at a jubilee clip, which has allowed coolant to escape in small quantities over

probably a lenghty period.

 

Although this would normally be a five minute repair by cutting off a few millimetres of the pipe and reattaching it, I decided

to do another flush of the cooling system due to still extensive silt deposit in the gherkins glass.

This time, I also took the radiator out, flushed it thoroughly, then filled it with boiling water and poured some caustic soda

into it, which yielded delightfully spectacular results and a lot more bog coming out.

 

Removal of the radiator requires removal of the electric fan first, then it's held in with two very prominently visible bolts.

However, reaching said bolts with tools is a different story altogether. One is right underneath a welded in bracket the

spare wheel rests on, so you can only turn it about 7°4'14" at a time, no mean feat considering the bolt is over two inches long.

Needless to say that the captive nuts those bolts bolt into aren't that captive anymore.

 

Anyway, all went back together, the split hose shortened appropriately, the cooling system filled with a healthy dose of antifreeze,

and the fascinating ritual of bleeding wizardry commenced.

However, the electric fan refused to do its fanning work (it should come on and go off twice as part of the bleeding ceremony).

A quick investigation revealed that one of the wires had come undone at the relay thanks to a hilariously lose pushfit connector.

 

Apparently all* is well** now.


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 08:54 PM

Today I addressed the vexatious issue of the erratic tickover and random stalling that has plagued the car ever since I have it.

It turned out that yet again the 1/2 inch inner diameter vacuum pipe had come adrift, leaving a hole the size of a pancake

at the carby flange. It's astonishing that the car was running at all, but that's French quality for you.

 

So after finally shelling out for a jubilee clip to permanently secure the pipe, the car is totally transformed.

While the tickover is now perfectly stable at a felt 50 RPM, smoothness and throttle response improved massively.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:21 AM

This vehicle has been surprisingly/disappointingly free of danger and fraught with nothing.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:43 AM

Hasn't it just? Even when that apocalyptic yellow light came on, it just drove back home so the leak could be fixed. 


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 12:49 AM

This vehicle has been surprisingly/disappointingly not a Rover P6 V8.

 

FTFY


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