Can someone answer this..Cash in Transit Vehicles.

[Pillock]

I've got a Security Van question.

 

Most of them say "Police: Follow This Van" on the back.

Clearly the police don't, or every van would have a chain of police cars following it around. So why put it on? WHAT IS POINT?

[overrun]

I've got a Security Van question.

 

Most of them say "Police: Follow This Van" on the back.

Clearly the police don't, or every van would have a chain of police cars following it around. So why put it on? WHAT IS POINT?

 

I asked a stupid question about that, once!

Although I read it as 'Police, follow this van!" As in it should really only be on display when the van has been jacked. Lol.

[Hendry]

Looked at that website, how slow must a 2litre 140bhp Superb be with armour plating, bullet proofing and stuff underneath which can withstand a couple of hand grenades, considering ive a car with the same engine and its not exactly a quick car, its ok but not shit off a shovel quick, and it doesnt have all the extra weight. 

[Noel Tidybeard]

I've got a Security Van question.

 

Most of them say "Police: Follow This Van" on the back.

Clearly the police don't, or every van would have a chain of police cars following it around. So why put it on? WHAT IS POINT?

 

i think its a statement- the babylon might be following this van if they got jack shit else to do

[Doctormop]

There is an oft repeated local legend of one of our small town's local winos (real character, heart of gold etc) watching a security van delivering cash to the Midland bank, (yes it was that long ago) and the guard seemed to bang on the side of the van, a bag of money appeared out of a chute and said guard trotted into the bank; local wino weighs this up and right on cue bangs on side of van whilst guard is in the bank; hey presto a bag of money appears and off he trots;

It's not the crime of the century however, the bag he got was full of two pence pieces and he was apprehended 20 minutes later with a two litre bottle of Strongbow and £98.02 worth of two pence pieces, in a state of almost semi sobriety, presumably procedures of cash handling changed shortly afterwards.

[sawdustman]

Quote from Hendry:

"Seen a few Transit customs with aftermarket rear door locks, but look properly built into the doors and use a lock with a key similar to a the style of locks you get on UPVC doors, again, why? how is that going to be anymore secure than the factory door handles, locks, deadlocking, etc.

 

Finally, whats the deal with those Transit Customs having the same generic door handles as fitted to most of the rest of the Ford car range, only without the lock integrated into the handle like the car range, they still have a separate old fashioned standalone door lock like 90s Fords had? Is it more secure or something?"

 

It is more secure. The standalone lock is there to facilitate the aforementioned locks to be fitted. Given that standard ford locks offer as much protection as a strip of sellotape this is a good thing.

The upgraded locks are made of strong metal and the keys are that expensive sort with the dents drilled into the sides to make picking or screwdrivering them more difficult.

When they're fitted they are attached to the latches so you need to use the key each time you want to open the back. This, when coupled with a metal bulkhead turns your van into a motorised tool vault.

Of course, if you lock the keys in the back and don't have a spare at home you're fucked.

I doubt they'd stop a determined knacker with a wrecking bar but would be sure to stop a scrote with a screwdriver.

 

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[twosmoke300]

Slam locks are also awesome for locking yourself in if your mobile workshop has them 😬

[bub2006]

We have a van with slam locks at argos. It doesn't lock you in if the door shuts as someone left internal handle connected which I found out very gratefully when it locked me in!

[Cavcraft]

I've only seen the inside of prison vans and they are nowt special really. And if you know what you are doing they can be busted out of without too much difficulty ( we had a lad abscond out of one whilst sat at roadworks).

 

They're just a series of tiny plastic toilet compartment type 'rooms'. I had the great pleasure* of being in one for a two or three hours once, an experience I don't want to ever have to repeat.

[Negative Creep]

I've got a Security Van question.

 

Most of them say "Police: Follow This Van" on the back.

Clearly the police don't, or every van would have a chain of police cars following it around. So why put it on? WHAT IS POINT?

 

 

I think it's something to do with getting any police car that does happen to be behind it to ensure the van is following its planned route, not being driven back to the crook's hideout

[Jazoli]

There is an oft repeated local legend of one of our small town's local winos (real character, heart of gold etc) watching a security van delivering cash to the Midland bank, (yes it was that long ago) and the guard seemed to bang on the side of the van, a bag of money appeared out of a chute and said guard trotted into the bank; local wino weighs this up and right on cue bangs on side of van whilst guard is in the bank; hey presto a bag of money appears and off he trots;

It's not the crime of the century however, the bag he got was full of two pence pieces and he was apprehended 20 minutes later with a two litre bottle of Strongbow and £98.02 worth of two pence pieces, in a state of almost semi sobriety, presumably procedures of cash handling changed shortly afterwards.

 

You mean Frankie Cunningham then, its true, it did happen

 

 

Note the crutch in the pic, daft sod was always falling over, his family lived on the same street as me

[Billy - Medhurst]

Fleetsales has them - http://www.fleetservice.co.uk/fleetsales/forsale.html

[0ldCh0d]

If these are being sold, (as some seem to be, looking at they websites) Who is buying them then?...lol....I imagine you cannot just rock up to the sellers & buy one, in the same way that you would buy a car? 

[0ldCh0d]

Bonus Pic....

 

[sierraman]

The Ruc used to use armoured Vectra 2.0s. Can't have been too quick either!

[Doctormop]

You mean Frankie Cunningham then, its true, it did happen

 

 

Note the crutch in the pic, daft sod was always falling over, his family lived on the same street as me

Yes indeed Jazoli, that's the fella, didn't someone write a book about him, Kendal's alternative Mayor I think it was called, a retired Copper of the old school once told me that a minor Royal was visiting Kendal to open something or other and an unofficial order was given to pick Frankie up and drive him to the middle of nowhere and drop him off to walk back just  to keep him out of the way.

[sheffcortinacentre]

Yes that looks like Fred's mk2 bullion van.

[Yoss]

I can verify the ineffectiveness of old Transit locks. We had a few at our Royal Mail delivery office. I was in and out up to a hundred times a day with no central locking so the locks were well used. I had a certain place in our yard that I liked to park but couldn't always park there if someone else beat me to it.

 

Came out the office one day, got in the Tranny in my preferred spot and thought 'this doesn't feel right'. I then remembered I parked elsewhere. That's odd, I thought, I'm sure I just unlocked it but maybe Tony just left it unlocked. So I got out and tried the key in the door. Worked perfectly! Didn't need to wiggle it or anything. So, feeling curious, I went over to one of the other Transits and same again. So I had a key to every Transit in our yard. These vans were about three years old.

 

Came in handy one day. A guy from the mail centre (the people who empty the boxes come from a different office to us) hanging around outside his van when I arrived. Turned out he'd locked his keys in the back. He'd already phoned the workshop but I said hang on a minute. Tried the door lock first (so at least he'd have somewhere to sit until the workshop arrived) but it wouldn't quite go. Went round to the side door and after some wiggling and a bit of force it opened. The guy was so happy although he did have to phone the workshop back to say they were no longer needed but it doesn't say much for the security of the mail.

 

I still have one of those keys on my keyring. You never know when it might come in handy, not just on Transits but I suspect any Fords of that era (2005).

[Hendry]

I knew Ford tibbe keys locked any other Ford door lock, didnt realise they opened them too.

 

Anyway I was referring to the newer Transit Customs from 2014 onwards, with the flat key blade with the shape cut into the middle of it. These use the same door handles as the rest of the Ford car range from Fiestas through to the Kuga and Galaxy, Current gen Transit Connect and Transit Courier also use them, only on all those models the door locks are integrated into the door handle itself, whereas on the Transit Custom the lock is separate and standalone, and sits a few inches further down the door from the handle, was just wondering what the reason for this is.

[Jazoli]

Yes indeed Jazoli, that's the fella, didn't someone write a book about him, Kendal's alternative Mayor I think it was called, a retired Copper of the old school once told me that a minor Royal was visiting Kendal to open something or other and an unofficial order was given to pick Frankie up and drive him to the middle of nowhere and drop him off to walk back just  to keep him out of the way.

 

I always thought it was when the Queen came to visit back in the 80, nice to see someone else on here from the auld grey town

[Lankytim]

There's place in Manchester that specialises in merc parts, I can't remember what they're called though!

 

Anyway, they break and export parts from sprinter vans, Merc lorries, that sort of thing. They have a contract with one of the big cash in transit type companies to dispose of their vans when they get to a certain age. The mechanical parts are removed and go for export but the bodies are scrapped. The parts with extra security added like the armoured screens and doors are ripped off with machines and smashed up to utterly destroy them and the shells are stuck in ththe baler. The security firm that supply the vans insist that none return to the road and that the sensitive security systems on board are destroyed to prevent crims analything them and figuring out a work around to get access to the van.

[Hendry]

I imagine security companies must need to buy these vans outright in cash and can't contract hire/lease them like the vast majority of companies who run van/tipper/small truck/even other more specialist commercial vehicles with unusual adaptations do, on the premise they can't be handed back at the end of a lease and sold on if they must be destroyed.

 

I understand why they destroy them but as I said, the crims could easily find a way round it, bung an ex officer some cash for info, hold him hostage till he spills, get someone onboard your gang who knows the inner workings, or else just steal one of the vans and take it somewhere out the way and analyse it, strip it then pieces and see how it works, the vault bit at the back may be secure and difficult to access, but the engine and so on is just a normal van engine like any other, easy enough to start up and drive away and plank it somewhere for thorough analysis by armed robbers etc.

[Rave]

Possibly not so easy to find and defeat the multiple tracking devices before they use them to locate the van though.

[DodgeRover]

Ignoring the crew on a purely theoretical way I always thought the easiest way round trackers etc would be to drop the van into a Fariday cage inside a container or curtainsider.

Obviously if the driver was on side this would be a damn sight easier, routes and pick up times don't seem to vary much (from working near a collection spot and being nosey not because I've been studying them).

 

It would probably be easier and more profitable having a few hundred bots playing online poker though.

[Captain Furious]

Years ago I was on my lunchbreak and had to go to the local post office to collect a parcel, whilst in there the security van came to do what I presume was a cash delivery.  I'm casually waiting in line and trying to see whats in the case (because nosey) - I reckon the guard caught me looking so I collected my parcel and fucked off.

 

He comes out just as I'm getting in the car and gets back in his van - then, by some chance happens to be going the exact same way as me right back to the office which was around 7-8 miles.  So I'm following him, and starting to think to myself "I bet he thinks this is well dodge" - turns out he did because he pulled off into a residential parking layby just before the entrance to my office.  I'm sure it was to 'lose the tail' I can't imagine he had any other business stopping there. - as I pulled into the work entrance he carried on.

[Hendry]

Years ago I was on my lunchbreak and had to go to the local post office to collect a parcel, whilst in there the security van came to do what I presume was a cash delivery.  I'm casually waiting in line and trying to see whats in the case (because nosey) - I reckon the guard caught me looking so I collected my parcel and fucked off.

 

He comes out just as I'm getting in the car and gets back in his van - then, by some chance happens to be going the exact same way as me right back to the office which was around 7-8 miles.  So I'm following him, and starting to think to myself "I bet he thinks this is well dodge" - turns out he did because he pulled off into a residential parking layby just before the entrance to my office.  I'm sure it was to 'lose the tail' I can't imagine he had any other business stopping there. - as I pulled into the work entrance he carried on.

 

I do that with Police cars because Scotlands "finest" have a tendency to be driving around doing bugger all looking for crimes happening infront of them or catching someone acting suspiciously, which never seems to happen so they seem to regularly pull cars over and accost the drivers for no real reason, regardless of the type of car, age/sex of the driver, etc. driving perfectly normally and get pulled over, Its happened to me before, the fuckers even had the cheek to pull me for a brake light bulb being out when their Focus had a blown headlight bulb and it was dark, surely more serious than a blown brake light bulb. 

 

If they follow me and take every turn and junction I take for miles i stop outside a shop, turn down a side street or whatever even if its not where im intending to go, just to get an idea if theyre tailing me and why, because im careful enough to always be on the lookout for them, so dont speed unless i know the coast is clear (unless traffic cops they cant prove it anyway) and i obviously never skip red lights or drive erratically, my cars always spot on mechanically and i have bulb failure warnings on my on board computer, so I know my bulbs havent blown. Theyve pulled me over for random spot checks just for being out late at night! Surely shouldnt be allowed to stop you without a valid reason (I know theyd make up a reason anyway) 

[twosmoke300]

Post office and bt used to have fleet keys and the same keys work on them all . Dad used to be able to remember the fs numbers for ha's and commers

[3VOM]

There's place in Manchester that specialises in merc parts, I can't remember what they're called though!

 

Anyway, they break and export parts from sprinter vans, Merc lorries, that sort of thing. They have a contract with one of the big cash in transit type companies to dispose of their vans when they get to a certain age. The mechanical parts are removed and go for export but the bodies are scrapped. The parts with extra security added like the armoured screens and doors are ripped off with machines and smashed up to utterly destroy them and the shells are stuck in ththe baler. The security firm that supply the vans insist that none return to the road and that the sensitive security systems on board are destroyed to prevent crims analything them and figuring out a work around to get access to the van.

Dronsfield? North Manchester Rochdale direction?

[Lankytim]

That's them! I used to go in with a 40ft container and wait 7 hours while they loaded it with cut up lorries, engines,boxes etc. They were doing a roaring trade in export. I'd find a nice E class in the breaking part of the yard and have a snooze in it. Lucky I didn't end up being baled, thinking about it.

[0ldCh0d]

Dronsfield? North Manchester Rochdale direction?

 

As mentioned earlier in this thread by Lankytim, I just found this picture on google.......I think these are ex securicor transit connects....on the way to be crushed  Exported?