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#571 OFFLINE   Kiltox

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:38 AM

Odd. My experience of Renaults of this era is that they don't like rain, maybe yours is the exception
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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:56 AM

Yo Beko

Thanks for that. My handbrake just started working! Quantum entanglement on the Renault particle I think.

Ah good, the French equilibrium works for newer shit rather than just old chod!

 

Mind how you go this weekend then when I attempt to fix it... Don't park on a hill without being in gear

 

The fault didn't come back on when I started the car again, and is still off now. Have been told to look at the EGR valve so might have that out tomorrow and see if I can clean it up with amys toothbrush and some tardis.


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Posted 08 July 2017 - 11:46 AM

So, on the hottest day so far I'm out!

Handbrake off, rear jacked up, wheels off, calipers off. Wound in, refitted, went for a drive. After a few pushes of the pedal the overall braking is vastly improved!

Came home, parked up. Handbrake on. Then on some more with a second pull and hold of the lever.

But it takes even less gas to pull away with it on now... Jacked up each corner. Pass side is locked solid. Drivers side, may as well not be on, it doesn't work and the wheel free spins!

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 12:12 PM

Sounds like a seized cable to me.



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Posted 08 July 2017 - 01:44 PM

I think it's the caliper.

The wheel free spins with the handbrake on. The cable does move (collared the bloke laying some slabs 2 houses up who had a rolly and sat in the car for me).

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Was seized. Some light hammer action and Wd40 got it to move, but it bounces on the spring I noticed. A quick Google revealed it to be a common fault, I think a £20 caliper may be prudent. The pass side is locked solid, and trying to pull away with the handbrake on you can feel it trying until it's overpowered and the car moves.

Anyway, I then looked at the egr valve, and after knocking it out, I gave it a clean

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Wondering how I was going to clean out the one hole, I got to work and... Wait a minute, there's two holes!

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Tardis, a rag, the pipe cleaner we use for the fishtank and a screwdriver got it cleaner (didn't have a can of brake cleaner as I thought I did)

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Much better, will see what that improves next week.

I then swapped the wheels front to back to see if it cures/moves the wheel shake. And I think this is the 'steering rack gaitor damage' the mot picked up on

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If I wasn't blowing out of my arse already I'd have wobbed it up with something but I didn't!

And now I'm showered and off to a children's pool party! Will do a test drive tomorrow and grab a caliper on monday
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Posted 08 July 2017 - 01:51 PM

Ha! And I've just gone to close all the windows that I opened earlier a d the rear passenger is dead... Fuck it ill deal with that tomorrow, it can stay open today
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Posted 08 July 2017 - 02:04 PM

LOL welcome to goona'doom.


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Posted 08 July 2017 - 06:52 PM

It's killed its bloody rear window the stupid French twat. What can I do with the door card off tomorrow to force it back up and leave it to never work again?

I also didn't plug the egr back in, so got 'check emissions' all over the dash, nearly set it on fire but remembered I don't have another car...
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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:02 PM

It might just be the switch, have you tried the one on the back door as well?

 

I know the switch unit died on mine & the amount of them on ebay suggests they sell well - so they must break a lot.



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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:06 PM

Yep, tried both switches.

4 people on facebook have said to pop the door panel off, and put 12v across the motor in reverse to wind it back up, or push the glass up manually then refit the motor to hold it up. If this works ill just leave the motor disconnected incase it hilariously* decides to wind down by itself.

If it passes the mot I'm not thinking carefully about wether I fancy dropping the sump to fish the remains of the dipstick out and giving it a service...

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:10 PM

Just pop the door switch out, check which connection is 12v live (probably the middle one) & short it to the others till the window goes up.


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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:19 PM

That's the plan!

Also, a thought I've just had, if I replace the drivers side caliper, will I have to piss about winding both calipers back in then driving then handbrake or will I get away with just doing the one side?

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:21 PM

I suspect both. I'm sure others will know better but if the setup is like the proper handbrake & the electric gizmo just replaces the lever then it's one cable & the 'pull' is halfway along.


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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:27 PM

Thought so. Hey ho, I'm an expert at removing the calipers now!

A mate did ask why I didn't repair the existing one, but if the handbrake lever is snapped internally I'll need another caliper for the part anyway. Plus, it's a 'pagid remanufactured' unit, so probably shite

If that doesn't cure it then I'll bin it and go for my plan B, which is someone I know's grandad in law selling a car they don't want much money for. My mate said he would start warming them up for a payment plan just in case... I'm not messing with handbrake cables costing £100+ etc

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:30 PM

There is an idiot in Cheltenham who buys fucked old Laugunas if you get rid ;)


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Posted 08 July 2017 - 07:31 PM

Ha, ill just give it back in the dead of night. I know where he lives..
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Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:17 PM

I thought you said the caliper handbrake mechanism was moving when the handbrake is applied?
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Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:24 PM

It does, but compared to the passenger side, 'too easily' once I'd unseized it, before I think it was just pushing the cable in and out of the bit it sits in.

Might have a quick go tomorrow at removing the spring and seeing how free it is, but there's many tales of the arm snapping within the caliper, and short of removing the black box of doom, having the cables off and refit them and check it it seems an easier thing to try...

If I have the spring off and it's floppy as shit then I'll know. Ruddy wheel back off again... I'll do the window first though, it's due to rain next weei

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:25 PM

Don't forget me if you decide to get rid...

Sounds like the caliper or handbrake cable issue to me,one of my window reg motors decided to stop today after disconnecting the battery,took the NS mirror out aswell,but all sorted now with a swop from a spare reg I have in stock.



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Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:40 PM

The cables and handbrake box seem to have less troubles on the Laguna than the Scenic. Not sure why, but maybe it gets less road crap over it.
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Posted 08 July 2017 - 08:44 PM

The cables and handbrake box seem to have less troubles on the Laguna than the Scenic. Not sure why, but maybe it gets less road crap over it.

My thinking behind this is that its just infront of the rear exhaust box on a Laguna and the heat keeps the unit warmer/dryer.



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Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:20 AM

So, window.

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I didn't want to write off a day playing with the kids by starting something I couldn't finish so I u clipped the glass and slid it up. I then cable tied it to the middle bracket, and cable tied around the left bracket under the glass to hold it up, then wedged several cable tie tails around the frame.

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I found a crispy wasp

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And that this door is not original to the car

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Couldn't be bothered taking the wheel off again to try the caliper without the spring, ill order a new second hand one tomorrow for £20.

I went for a 20 mile drive, mainly to check I'd not buggared anything up with the egr or swapping the wheels. It seems a bit nipper, but speed was hampered by horse boxes. I briefly got to 75 and theres little wheel shake to note!

I tried hammering the handbrake lever out of the old caliper I kept from last time and there was no budging it, so I'm not going to try and repair the drivers side one,not when their £20 delivered from renparts.

Interestingly though, after my drive the handbrake noise went on for longer. I only went around the block yesterday, when the new caliper is fitted I'm tempted to just leave it, drive to work (25 miles) the put the hbrake on. Sod it, do or die.

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:53 PM

Im shocked somebody actually went and bought a brand new genuine Renault door for a 7 year old (at the time) Laguna given the amount of them in breakers they couldve just gone and got one off of!!

 

Top bodging btw!! I just couldnt do that, the pedant in me would have to have it fixed and working like its supposed to. I envy people who just can let stuff like that go without getting bothered about it!


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Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:58 PM

One day I might tinker, but since I've bought it only one person has sat there... I only opened it usually when I dropped all the windows on a hot day before getting in, letting the air con get cold then doing them up again!

I'm not spending money on a part that could fail again at a moments notice. Drivers window I would, but that's because I smoke

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 01:59 PM

And same about the door! It can't have been much damage as the shuts etc aren't bent. Wonder how much that cost!

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 02:51 PM

And same about the door! It can't have been much damage as the shuts etc aren't bent. Wonder how much that cost!

 

Mustve been an insurance job for sure, I dont think anyone wouldve forked out that kinda money themselves.


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Posted 09 July 2017 - 04:18 PM

Ha, ill just give it back in the dead of night. I know where he lives..


Park it up there and torch it if you like - it's not my house ;)
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Posted 09 July 2017 - 04:52 PM

Best of both worlds then, I can claim it was stolen and joyridden there, if I park it close enough to something else you can have an insurance claim your side...

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 06:12 PM

Lol I don't have any stuff there any more either and would quite gladly see the lot go up in flames including the owner....
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Posted 09 July 2017 - 07:02 PM

Mmm pm me...

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