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#541 OFFLINE   SiC

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:31 PM

Check that they're engaging the same when the handbrake is pulled on. If all is adjusted correctly, you can pull a second time and hold the handbrake handle longer and it'll try engaging it to as hard as it can pull it. You should hear it engaging it a bit more when doing this.

Might be enough to get it through.
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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:50 PM

I'll have 18 and 42 please.
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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:59 PM

That's not to bad, about 1000000% better than my fail  :mrgreen:


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 12:59 PM

Speaking to the guys as I paid, it's the drivers side caliper, not the passenger one I had issues with... When I cleaned it up and pushed it back I did so as I would a normal caliper... Will look into twosmoke's advice above. It's a pagid caliper on that corner, and looks pretty clean so hopefully won't be too tricky to play with. Not sure wether to class the handbrake issue as related or not, the guy who tested it went on lunch as soon as he finished typing it up without talking to me.

 

I did just try pulling away at my mums (having to hold the lever on so it didn't automatically come off) and there wasn't as much resistance as I would like. I read somewhere that if I pull the emergency lever, then apply the handbrake a few times it winds the cables back in and re-sets them, but I'm not sure I have the balls big enough to do that...

 

Only problem is testing the bastard without paying for a re-test/another MOT (forgot to ask what the time period was but the test was only £35). Anyone know someone friendly with a brake roller near bucks/oxon?


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 01:02 PM

Oh lordy: "Front Shock absorber has slight corrosion to the casing both (2.7.2a)"

 

*shakes head*

I'm tempted to find it, clean it off and see if it falls off the advisory list on the re-test!

 

The oil leak can stay, cant be bothered to clean all that off, there is alot of it everywhere, most possibly quite old as it doesn't drink any (all the o's on the dashboard are present on startup)


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Posted 03 July 2017 - 01:38 PM

Not a bad result really
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Posted 03 July 2017 - 01:48 PM

Not a bad result really


Could be worse. Now I'm not quite as worried, and it seems I just didn't reset the handbrake after caliper work, I'm quite glad they didn't mention the rear bushes, and that my front suspension work passes muster!

Ill have the caliper back off again and definatly not spray lithium grease around the seal, then hold the handbrake lever for 5 seconds and hope I don't hear a twang from underneath!

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 08:32 PM

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 09:19 PM

And replied to!

I tried holding the lever out earlier and got no second 'pull'. Plan A is to jack each rear corner up and see if a wheel spins. Plan B is, Erm...

Ill deffo wind the caliper back in, and try and follow twosmokes advice. Tempted to pull the yellow lever and see if the system self resets but that brings thoughts of doom to my head.

I did try pulling away with the handbrake on (by holding the lever out) and it didn't take much for it to pull away... (then go fecking beeping mental at me) so something isn't right somewhere

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Posted 03 July 2017 - 09:34 PM

Are the handbrake part of the calipers being moved on each side when the brake is engaged and disengaged?
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Posted 04 July 2017 - 05:54 AM

Setting up handbrake calipers 101

Slacken handbrake cable until there is free play at the caliper end
Ensure caliper arms are against their stops
Remove calipers and wind in using the wind back tool . Align the slots in the pistons to any pegs on the back of the pads
Refit pads / calipers without moving th handbrake arms.
Road test giving the footbrake plenty of pressure esp when stopped . Don't touch the handbrake
When road test is complete ( I'd do 3-4 miles )
Then try the handbrake -if there is too much free play then adjust the cable until it's taken the slack out but no more . The arms on the calipers should be against the stops with the handbrake off .
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Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:21 AM

Probably not an issue unless the car has been off the road for some time, but when they're backed off check the handbrake cables are actually working i.e.; not seized-up.

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 07:16 AM

There's certainly movement on the cables, especially the passenger side as that's where I devoted my attention last time! I'll try moving the caliper piston in and out, and see about tapping the handbrake levers up and out to clean those up, have been reading that they seize up. Will see if I can grab someone to do stuff in the cabin whilst I eyeball up the caliper end! I possibly should look at rebuilding the calipers but TBH I don't think they need it, neither are particularly smeggy, indeed the drivers one is positively spotless. A good bleed may not go amiss either, infact a good bleed all round may be beneficial as I've not done that since winding them all in and tidying it up a month or so ago.

 

Twosmoke - All your tips are very good, but unless I can disable the auto handbrake I can't do any of it! Turn the car off, the handbrake applies (have to manually take it off again. Turn the car off, handbrake applies. I imagine I'll fuck it's little head up removing the fuse for it too!

 

Not sure if it's all in my head but this morning I let the car pull against it's idle (no gas to take the handbrake off) and I'm sure it twisted the car ever so slightly from the passenger side...

 

Hopefully it will be simple! If not I think I have a backup plan in place should the worse happen


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:58 AM

Twosmoke - All your tips are very good, but unless I can disable the auto handbrake I can't do any of it! Turn the car off, the handbrake applies (have to manually take it off again. Turn the car off, handbrake applies. I imagine I'll fuck it's little head up removing the fuse for it too!


You're doing it wrong. ;)

Put the keycard in, let everything turn on. Push the start/stop button without a foot on the pedal. Everything turns off except the handbrake. You should be able to manually engage and disengage the handbrake with the control without the engine running.
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Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:47 AM

RTFM mr beko . 


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:49 AM

So if you havent let the park brake off when fitting the caliper then it WILL deffo need resetting . Easy fix


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 10:57 AM

Sounds good to me! So keycard in, handbrake off,  calipers off, push them in, calipers on, handbrake cable on, then fire up the car, push brakes to push out the pistons, then handbrake on.

 

I wonder if me just doing one side buggared up the drivers side... If I do it as a straight pair (so rear up on stands, both wheels off, not just one etc) it might work better.

 

The handbrake was defiantly off when I fitted the pass caliper as it needed to be to get the cable out. All the time the drivers side was on and trying to work, possibly buggaring up the balance?

 

Starting to realise all the goner hate. When the xantia's handbrake was shite I just nipped up the nut on each cable by the caliper a bit and job done!


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:09 AM

 

The handbrake was defiantly off...

 

 

Sounds like it was still being defiant when you took it for test!


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:18 AM

Road test before putting the park brake on !
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Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:58 AM

Burn it! :D


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 12:09 PM

Lots of good advice on how to do this. The only bits I will add are if the ignition won't turn on without it starting put the car in gear then foot on the brake and push start. Check the handbrake levers are both right back on their stops. The cables will normally be a little slack on these electric jobbies. If all looks ok remove the calipers without undoing any pipe work and wind the pistons in with the wind back tool. Reassemble and test as described. I have got some Laguna calipers kicking around here somewhere if you get stuck but I am in Somerset and would need to match it with your old one.


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 01:08 PM

Yes, fantastic advice indeed, thanks all.

Ill probably start with as panhard describes, the handbrake stays off until I turn the car 'off', so as long as I do the road test first then turn it off, then do the 5 seconds extra pull it should be ok. I did none of this before...

I did try it at lunchtime though, I'm on an early today so parked at work on tarmac, not at mums on gravel and it takes a good 1500 revs to move it with the handbrake on (and the car beeping madly at me)

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:56 PM

All this for a handbrake !!!!!!!


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 07:18 PM

Electric park brakes are fine but you have to follow the basic rules of setting up a handbrake caliper
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Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:08 PM

These age Renault's aren't that complex either for the handbrake. It's basically a traditional setup on the calipers. The electronic bit is just a box that pulls and holds on to the cables.

Where as VAG and other stuff have the electric motor built into the caliper itself. If these jam on, they're much more awkward to release than the Renault's.
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Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:30 PM

I enjoyed working on the Scenic II rear brake setup if I'm honest, once I realised you needed to turn the parking brake off using the diag mode and not the emergency handle anyway.
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Posted 05 July 2017 - 09:11 AM

Once you've mastered this you go up to the next level and have a crack at a D3 handbrake....
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Posted 07 July 2017 - 09:21 AM

Yo Beko

Thanks for that. My handbrake just started working! Quantum entanglement on the Renault particle I think.
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Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:09 AM

Yo Beko

Thanks for that. My handbrake just started working! Quantum entanglement on the Renault particle I think.


Wonder if the recent dry, warm weather (assuming it has been where you are) has contributed to that....
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Posted 07 July 2017 - 11:38 AM

Not in Accrington :-) wetter than an otters pocket
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