Tamworthbay Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I will be helping a friend out (read doing the car for her) after a seriousish MOT epic fail. Most stuff is fairly simple such as strut tops and brake lines but there are also two corrosion fails, one for area close to rear suspension mounting and the other a seatbelt mounting. The seatbelt mounting will presumably be the sill/ floor area. Does anyone know these things well and have any idea where the rear suspension one is likely to be? I know these things rust well but is it likely to be the chassis rails or the shock mounts? The other issue is the rear arches, they both need replacing but I can't find repair panels in the usual suppliers. Anyone know where they are available? I have a feeling the car is really heading to the bridge but she is quite attached to it so I will try and save it if I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Inner sills at the back or inner arch behind the wheel I would say Tamworthbay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beko1987 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Rear arches rot. No puma panels are available but pug 206 front wings were always the acceptable repair method, close enough apparently. Mine was rotting in the floorpan too, bit tricky to look at without the carpet up Tamworthbay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendry Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Rear arches rot. No puma panels are available but pug 206 front wings were always the acceptable repair method, close enough apparently. Mine was rotting in the floorpan too, bit tricky to look at without the carpet upDo even Ford themselves not sell replacement panels for the Puma? I realise they would be uber expensive but even so. I remember reading a topic on a Ford forum about a Puma a guy bought to sort out and it had some corrosion fails on the MOT, I got them impression from what I read and the pictures I saw that by the time the car fails it's MOT on corrosion that there will be galloping rot absolutely everywhere on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr A Lawrence Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Tell her to bin it and get something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Do even Ford themselves not sell replacement panels for the Puma? I realise they would be uber expensive but even so. I remember reading a topic on a Ford forum about a Puma a guy bought to sort out and it had some corrosion fails on the MOT, I got them impression from what I read and the pictures I saw that by the time the car fails it's MOT on corrosion that there will be galloping rot absolutely everywhere on it.That is my fear with it, she doesn't have a lot of money and tends to have cars firmly in the 'banger' class so it won't have been looked after as she can't afford to. Catch 22 situation. If I can get another year out of it without too much expense then brilliant but I would like to know what I am likely to encounter before we embark on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairymel Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 usually rear arches, rear of sills particularly the inner sill near to the rear beam hanger bracket and front floor (between the seat front and your outside foot on both sides) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 If it's gone on the rear suspension mounts I'd sack it off. By this point the inner and outer sills will have gone as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 That's my fear, 'a small patch' can quickly turn into a full on project. I will have a look on Monday when I can get it on the lift but what people are saying is only confirming my worst thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Fearn Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I had a 1.7 Puma. Got rid of it about 2 years ago. I did the 206 front wing rear arch repair. I did a ton of other work on it too. It was a cracking car to drive but I did get fed up of it basically being a Fiesta but less practical. I spent 6 months with this car touring Spain and it was amazing! Sir Snipes, Lacquer Peel, mat_the_cat and 15 others 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 I had a quick look today and it's well crusty on top, the red is also badly faded showing a life of loving care, sorry a lack of loving care. I will get it on the ramp tomorrow or Wednesday but she is realistic that the chances are it's too far gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Rebel Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 To strike a lighter note, the one I roffled on here earlier this year turned out to be less rotten than the Mondeo I replaced it with - it did need a small patch on the end of one inner sill for MOT and the arches were crusty as they all are, but it wasn't bad. Seems some can be a lot worse than others. My inner sill patch was listed as a seat belt mount (within 30cm of one) - nothing's very far from anything else on tbese Tamworthbay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think I will end up with this one at work, so will either go for the lads to mess about with or may return to the road if it turns out to be ok underneath. Either way it's going to need a bit of work to do anything with and they just aren't worth anything when sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendry Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Give it about 10/15 years when OSF tax kicks in, and it'll be worth mega coin like a Capri is now. If it's got a Ford badge on it, when it gets old enough it'll be worth a fortune, especially with hardly any of them left. Is it a 1.4 or a 1.7? oldcars and BorniteIdentity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Do you know, I have no idea! I didn't look under the bonnet. The inside is cloth not leather, not sure if that's a giveaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Rebel Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 My 1.7 was cloth - only a few leather interiors if I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 I ran the reg and it's a 1.7, should go well in a small car. I have never sat in one let alone drove one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beko1987 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 My 1.7 was cloth - only a few leather interiors if I recall.The Black edition had leather, it was ok but quite plasticky. Has wheels with stupid plastic nuts all round it too which fell off loads (mine did anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMC Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Because masochism I removed the paint and sealant from the floor to sill joint both sides on mine as it was bubbling up ever so slightly if you looked very closely from under the car. There were loads of places where the flanges were starting to spread as the rot progressed. Yet this was a cosmetically good car. They really know how to rot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Two fails and two advisories for rust doesn't bode well. Rear arches are well crusty and have been treated to a repair courtesy of a travelling blind Dulux salesman on speed. oldcars 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 They are so cheap involved repair is seldom worth the grief When somebody says they are attached to the car it means they have no money or can get it repaired cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortinaDave Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 these are GR8 wee things at the current prices. tremendous fun in 1.7 form and very chuckable. I agree they will be worth serious coin in the future. At the moment though theyre rock bottom and so heavy welding isnt likely to be worthwhile unless she absolutely loves the car. you could pick up another in better shape for less than the welding bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 It can live where I work for a while and we can what happens. It's outside but under cover so not too bad. It also helps me as I need to fill some space with cars that aren't mine for a while for reasons that would take too long to explain so it's not in the way. She only wants scrap value on it, so I may take a punt at £50 if it's not too horrendous when I get a look underneath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djimbob Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I worked for BTCellnet/O2 many years ago, and one of my tasks was to liaise with BT employees who had mobile phone car kits fitted in their motors, and make appointments if there were any fitment issues. Had a couple of these come up as leaking like a sieve after the car kit was fitted, and upon speaking to the fitters, turns out that these Puma's were notorious even then as having "about a hundred different places for water to get in" - grommets and all sorts apparently were regular problem areas, much worse than the usual company car fodder, and the dealers were equally baffled and perplexed by moisture ingress complaints. Nice little car at the time I thought, but wouldn't want to risk one now frankly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorniteIdentity Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 wouldn't want to risk one now frankly Where as I'm keen as french mustard, and am currently bidding on one that's the same colour of said condiment. I think that's what AS is about (for me at least). Trying out cars when they're at the bottom of the depreciation curve, then boring your children/Grandchildren to tears with "I had one of those" anecdotes whenever one comes up in 30 years for £bodyorgans. Dirk Diggler, John F, Tamworthbay and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloth in a bowl Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 When I bought my Puma, I planned to keep it for a few months. I'm now trying to workout how best to hide the rot to keep it for a 3rd year.Great car, not sure that I can replace it for anything half as fun but as above. It is not worth sorting out rot when it is still possible to get a bargain priced replacement. I think that will change in the next couple of years though. Already, the days of the sub £500 Puma, that is fit for more than driving to the bridge, are coming to a close. BorniteIdentity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthbay Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 At £50, how much can I lose? (Well £50 I suppose) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorniteIdentity Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 At £50, how much can I lose? (Well £50 I suppose) Sweet Fuck All. Don't they all have alloys? There's your money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beko1987 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 If you find one with the leather with 11 months mot on then buy it, I got £225 for my seats and door cards! It's all interchangeable by model, some bloke drove his standard one down with just the drivers seat fitted and I helped him fit my interior to it Mine broke easily for £540ish a few years ago, and I didn't sell that much as I didn't have the means to remove the engine, axle, wheels etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcars Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Where as I'm keen as french mustard, and am currently bidding on one that's the same colour of said condiment. I think that's what AS is about (for me at least). Trying out cars when they're at the bottom of the depreciation curve, then boring your children/Grandchildren to tears with "I had one of those" anecdotes whenever one comes up in 30 years for £bodyorgans.Is is a Millennium yellow one? BorniteIdentity 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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