Lukas Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Hi! I just need your advise: Is this "Cadillac" BLS a Saab 9³? https://www.willhaben.at/iad/gebrauchtwagen/auto/cadillac-bls-2-0-t-elegance-160462819/ Or is it a Vauxhall Vectra with a Saab-engine maybe? I guess it is far from being a Yankee-car, is it? Were they even available in the US? For sure the miserable 1.9D-version was only available in Europe... https://www.willhaben.at/iad/gebrauchtwagen/auto/cadillac-bls-wagon-1-9-d-business-aut-158855924/ That looks even more like a Saab somehow. Please, enlighten me! Lukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Run away! This is what a proper Cadillac looks like, and it comes with a multi-part name, not just a random bunch of initials. Skizzer, chaseracer, Sigmund Fraud and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Basically they took a 9-3, restyled it slightly but using as much as possible from the Saab/GM parts bin as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skizzer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 It shares door skins and some other superstructure with a Saab 9-3 and all three share a platform and some engines, I believe. Someone who knows a lot more will be along shortly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Spot the difference: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I spy RHD and peasant gears. That's supposed to be The Standard Of The World? Fuck off with your globalisation, GM, and give us proper cars again. danthecapriman, Zantimisfit, AMC Rebel and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiC Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Even the stereo facia is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 And weirdly they sold the Subaru Impreza as a Saab in the states 9-2x or something Joey spud and Springer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 The BLS was manufactured in Trollhattan alongside the 9-3 and the 9-5, if that provides a clue... Springer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 And weirdly they sold the Subaru Impreza as a Saab in the states 9-2x or something Don't forget the 9-7X. Mental. Joey spud, Rod/b and Springer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 The BLS was manufactured in Trollhattan alongside the 9-3 and the 9-5, if that provides a clue... So in reality, it´s a Saab 9³ with slightly different looks. Thanks for the Info! Springer and chaseracer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaseracer Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 ^ Pretty much, Lukas, yes! As a Cadillac, it's as American as pickled herring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod/b Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Don't forget the 9-7X. Mental.I was thinking of buying one of these, but swiftly decided against after test driving some. They were awful. The dashes had all lifted like Rover 800s, and the interiors were all without fail dropping apart like the GMs they were based on. Even the nod to Saab that was the retractable cupholder in the dash was broken in every one i looked at. These were probably the biggest dump that GM took on the Saab name in fact. Lacquer Peel and flat4alfa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod/b Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 ^ Pretty much, Lukas, yes! As a Cadillac, it's as American as pickled herring...As above the Saab 9-7x is about as Swedish as Country and Western music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkNWeigh Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Run away! This is what a proper Cadillac looks like, and it comes with a multi-part name, not just a random bunch of initials.Zoo 019.jpgSo doe these; Cadillac Bit-Like-Saab inconsistant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 GM badge engineering at its worst. The Subaru Traviq comes close to beating the SAABillac disasters. cort16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 GM badge engineering at its worst.The Subaru Traviq comes close to beating the SAABillac disasters. just googled that. WHY?? Lacquer Peel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 These are about as appealing as getting a ‘Moroccan chickpea & harissa enema’ off Ainsley Harriott Springer, Lacquer Peel, Station and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overrun Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 I spy RHD and peasant gears. That's supposed to be The Standard Of The World? Fuck off with your globalisation, GM, and give us proper cars again.You won't like this, but Cadillac build quality and 'luxury' is only impressive to Yanks. We have built much more refined, better equipped and screwed together cars, and don't require huge V8's to deliver sub 200BHP and the fuel consumption of a cross-channel ferry.Painfully slow and archaic slush boxes are far from a reason to celebrate, either. If my car is gonna drink fuel, I want it to for a reason.I see no redeeming features in old Yank tanks. Springer, Cleon-Fonte, Joey spud and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacquer Peel Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The "land yachts" aren't great cars but they have some shite appeal. I wouldn't kick a Caddy or Olds diesel out of bed. Just avoid the line dancing confederate flag wavers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort1977 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 You won't like this, but Cadillac build quality and 'luxury' is only impressive to Yanks.We have built much more refined, better equipped and screwed together cars, and don't require huge V8's to deliver sub 200BHP and the fuel consumption of a cross-channel ferry.Painfully slow and archaic slush boxes are far from a reason to celebrate, either.If my car is gonna drink fuel, I want it to for a reason.I see no redeeming features in old Yank tanks.Don't knock it till you've tried it... danthecapriman, STUNO and eddyramrod 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 You won't like this, but Cadillac build quality and 'luxury' is only impressive to Yanks. We have built much more refined, better equipped and screwed together cars, and don't require huge V8's to deliver sub 200BHP and the fuel consumption of a cross-channel ferry.Painfully slow and archaic slush boxes are far from a reason to celebrate, either. If my car is gonna drink fuel, I want it to for a reason.I see no redeeming features in old Yank tanks. I´ve driven a 2008 Cadillac SRX 3.6 V6 for a few daily in 2013 and thought it was absolutely horrible. The interieur was extremely cheap, absolutely not well-built, rattled and squeaked when driving on not-so-good tarmac,the seats where qzite firm, the ride was too firm too I would say. I was quite happy to return it after 3 or 4 days of driving around with it in Vienna. I had a 1999 Subaru Legacy at that time.And espite it being from a completely other class and having a lot less equipment, it felt a lot better built, the interieur was higher quality than the Cadillac SRX. But that´s the only opinion I have on Cadillacs. So I know almost nothing about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longblackcoat Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The dashes had all lifted like Rover 800s.Ooh, that's a low blow; at least the Rover has the excuse of a £1.73 development budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longblackcoat Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Don't knock it till you've tried it...To be fair, I have. They really are utterly wank, if my experience with a Caddy STS is anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danthecapriman Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 You won't like this, but Cadillac build quality and 'luxury' is only impressive to Yanks.We have built much more refined, better equipped and screwed together cars, and don't require huge V8's to deliver sub 200BHP and the fuel consumption of a cross-channel ferry.Painfully slow and archaic slush boxes are far from a reason to celebrate, either.If my car is gonna drink fuel, I want it to for a reason.I see no redeeming features in old Yank tanks.You are massively massively missing the point!You should try driving a proper yank tank. They really do show what utter shit the rest of the worlds cars at the time really were.A comparison between my 73 Mercury full size and the other old stuff of similar age I own really does show how far behind we were over here. eddyramrod and Lacquer Peel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyramrod Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 What Dan Said. It's no good comparing a 1973 Cadillac (for example) against a 2016 BMW. They are designed and built to completely different standards. The base-level BMW will probably have more electronic "luxury" kit on it than the Cadillac; three more speeds in the automatic gearbox and a relatively athletic 0-60 time. But: it looks like everything else on the road, comes with zero ride and concrete-bench seats. The Cadillac, on the other hand, had Style even when new, and now has more style in the rust that flakes off the bumper than any BMW ever made. It also has so much torque that three, or maybe four, speeds are quite enough, and the gearbox doesn't need a computer to take 5 seconds working out what gear to select (voice of bitter experience!). The ride is sublime, if you like to feel you're floating several inches above the road (I do), helped by massive 75%-profile tyres. And the seats? If you can find a sofa that comfy, I'll sleep on the bugger.Compared to luxury cars of the early 70s though, things are less clear-cut, the Cadillac has competition. Most notably from RR/Bentley and Jaguar/Daimler, although Mercedes would like to think they could join in. I've had a 1978 Daimler Sovereign, directly after a 1979 Cadillac Fleetwood. The Daimler was faster and more chuckable, but that's not what luxury cars are about. Neither, fortunately, is MPG, because the 4.2 litre Daimler was significantly more thirsty than the 7.0 litre Cadillac. The Cadillac had the better ride, narrowly, and the better (ie more comfortable) seats by some margin. These two criteria top the charts for luxury cars, no matter what Top Gear may say.A Cadillac BLS is a Saab, and worse than that: a Saab that's really a Vauxhall (for which read Opel) Vectra. It can and will never be an actual Cadillac. I'd rather just have an honest Saab or even, however boring it may be, a Vectra. Provided the price is right, and by that I mean it needs to be scrap value.Modern cars, even the ones that call themselves "luxury," just aren't good enough. Lacquer Peel and danthecapriman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 I think you are talking about two different tasks. One is sure, that the yankee-cars from the 1950s/60s/70s were better than the others. Looking at the equipment they had (AC, electric everything etc.), he might be right. The other one is sure that modern ( from 1980s on) US-cars are worse than cars from Europe/Japan, that they lost the plot somewhere. And I guess he is right too. So I guess you both are right. eddyramrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felly Magic Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 It all started to fall apart for the car industry in America during the 1970s, they carried on making land yachts when the world moved on, and said land yachts had woeful bhp/litre, especially in Califlower-nia spec, with some 6 pots from Ford having about the same bhp as a 1.6 Cortina in a car that weighed as much as a church, and woeful mpg/top speed, as well as legendary comedy build quality and severe reliability issues, the Septics tried making economy cars to compete with Toyota and Datsun, but they were utterly hopeless, and Ford's Merkur division, oh boy, talk about a marketing cock up, people would have probably bought them if they had the standard blue oval on the snout, and proper Euro spec engines with power, not the silly turbocharged 2.3 wheezing donkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hooli Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 These are about as appealing as getting a ‘Moroccan chickpea & harissa enema’ off Ainsley Harriott That sounds like a recommendation on here. Lacquer Peel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 This is a real Cadillac Lacquer Peel, Richard and rantingYoof 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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