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Peugeot to buy Vauxhall / Opel


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#31 OFFLINE   tommotech

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:43 PM

I was thinking the other way, 2.0i 8v 20SEH-powered Peugeot 405SRi would be a fuggin hoot, though I concede that an XUD9T would be the bollocks in a Cavalier.
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You honestly don't realise how close Opel were to taking XUD9TE engines for the Cavalier and Vectra.
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:52 PM

The little 1686cc Isuzu lump did struggle a bit in the Cavalier, and more so in the early Vectra Bs.  XUD9T would have been an improvement.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 11:17 PM

The aa stock price went up 1% today. Coincidence ?
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 12:38 AM

Why would they get rid of Vauxhall as a brand? Platform sharing, engines, components etc, but they'd be foolish to get rid of Vauxhall altogether. 

 

They're popular because they're perceived as being British. French ownership won't change that in the eyes of the people that think that a small offshoot of an American-owned German firm is British. 


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 12:52 AM

Peugeot stocks raised 14% after the announcement.

If I just were in the right freemasons' lodge for some sophisticated insider trading.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:55 AM

Well I'm no expert but as is said above we've seen this before years ago and you know that all production here will shut down with the same old excuses.
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:11 AM

I just can't see the merit in creating a brand just for the UK with Vauxhall. Opel has a bit more weight with people anyway as folks have said.

My dad will be gutted if Peugeot take over. He hates French cars! Can't wait to tell him!!!

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 01:01 PM

Premium Vauxhall? They've tried that with the Cascada. Fell flat on its face.

 

Premium?  I'm not so sure about that as it's pegged at same price point as Peugeot 308 CC

 

The trouble is 'Cascadia' will always be a hard to pronounce/spell/remember name for just an Opel Astra ragtop that is built in Poland.

 

That's not a premium interior.  It's a wasted opportunity and makes Dacia efforts seem tidier - they're less cluttered for starters. I can smell the plastic from here.  Perhaps the PSA input will help

 

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 01:24 PM

If they could use their engines that'd help. The 2.0 PSA unit is markedly better than the 2.0 Vauxhall CDTI.

I'm probably the worst person to ask about Vauxhalls, I've never liked any of them since the Cavalier, so I can't say I'd be sad if they packed up with calling them Vauxhalls. Peugeots on the other hand I've always liked, they've had a bit of a slating in Top Gear etc but the 308 is a lovely looking car.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:28 PM

The 2.0 PSA unit is markedly better than the 2.0 Vauxhall CDTI.

 

World gets smaller.  CDTI range was based on the Fiat JTD line

 

Put together at the GM engine plant in Italy.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:29 PM

Right, here's a list of the 21st Century Vauxhalls that I like and are superior to the PSA competitors. As opposed to being interchangeable dross such as Insignia/508 or Astra/vC4/307,8 etc etc.
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I look forward to the new Peugeot 608Gti, at least Hollandes successor won't have to be driven in a DS5.
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Posted 15 February 2017 - 02:46 PM

That'll immediately spell the end of the rebadged Renner vans made in Luton, and could the next gen Combo be a rebadged Partner/Blingo?


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:13 PM

GM have been in crisis for years, off-loaded foreign assets cheaply and have already suffered being told what to do by (mainland) European governments.  The horrible Opel/Vauxhall/PSA marriage will go ahead, the British unions will realise how little power they really have when the British plants are closed, the wanky Peugeot, Citroen, DS brand mash-up will be joined by Opel but Vauxhall, which has no recognition anywhere but the UK, will disappear.

Some will blame Brexit and it will be forgotten about shortly and people will start buying Adam DS luxes.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:58 PM

Hollande will be in a one of those HSV Clubsport Limos

 

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 04:31 PM

I think Sniff Petrol summed it up quite well.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:11 PM

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:19 PM

The most important thing is keeping the jobs, it'll be devastating if Vauxhall's UK plants shut.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:34 PM

The most important thing is keeping the jobs, it'll be devastating if Vauxhall's UK plants shut.

 

But heaven forfend some people should miss the opportunity for a pop at TEH UNIONZ.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:41 PM

But heaven forfend some people should miss the opportunity for a pop at TEH UNIONZ.

 

Exactly, and probably the same people who hadn't bothered finding out how hard the Ellesmere Port union lads worked with the company to keep their plant going.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:10 PM

Exactly, and probably the same people who hadn't bothered finding out how hard the Ellesmere Port union lads worked with the company to keep their plant going.

 

 

That'll be GM Europe's most productive plant, will it not?

 

Tories need to make it very plain that shutting EP won't be as easy as shutting Ryton and walking smartly away from it - selling it to another manufacturer should be essential. Kia, for example - they'd love to have a modern efficient plant in the heart of Eur.........oh shit.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:03 PM

Bring back the Talbot brand and compete with Dacia.

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:19 PM

More shared donkeys and platforms.

 

Moving gradually to one single worldwide series of engines & platforms for all manufacturers with slightly different body panels, trim and badges probably constructed either in China or East Europe.

 

BLMC did this didnt they in the 60's & 70's

Only in Birmingham - which is a bit like East Europe.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:23 PM

Ellesmere port will be on 60% thinner ice than usual anyway once we come out of the single market so this takeover just bumps that up to maybe 75%, so in itself not such a massive deal.

 

The thought of products from a company made out of GM Europe and PSA crunched together sounds so mind-bogglingly dull that I struggle to muster any feeling about this either way.


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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:26 PM

To be fair, imo, Citroen have gone a bit bonkers recently with the DS range and the plastic covered Cactus. Not overtly exciting or crazy like they used to be, but at least they're trying to experiment again.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:03 AM

Right, here's a list of the 21st Century Vauxhalls that I like and are superior to the PSA competitors. As opposed to being interchangeable dross such as Insignia/508 or Astra/vC4/307,8 etc etc.
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I look forward to the new Peugeot 608Gti, at least Hollandes successor won't have to be driven in a DS5.

 

Both these are GM Holdens. Holden is being shut down by GM and the replacement for these seems to be the Insignia which is already on sale here. What happens when Vauxo / Ophall shut up shop ?


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:02 AM

Is Chevrolet still a thing here in UK?
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:03 AM

Chevrolet is dead in the UK.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:05 AM

Say what you want, but if they start building Vauxhall Novas with XUD engines, I'll probably implode with excitement.
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:46 AM

GM really didn't quite get the "Naming a car after your founder" thing.

 

Ferrari - Enzo

 

Bugatti - EB110

 

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:55 AM

BLMC did this didnt they in the 60's & 70's

 

 

Did they though? Half their problem was that they had a baffling array of engines and platforms in the 70s.


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