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#1 ONLINE   Asimo

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:35 PM

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Indenor-engined HB Viva anyone?

 

Wonder where that will leave Vauxhall / Renault vans?


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:39 PM

Peugeopel?

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:42 PM

Someone has to buy them, few others are....


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:51 PM

Will Vauxhall follow the glorious* path that post-GM SAAB followed ? Or will the phrase "all PSA cars are shite" become the new AS meme ? 

 

Place your bets now...


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 03:51 PM

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:12 PM

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:15 PM

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:24 PM

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:24 PM


Phase 1. Join together two losers, financed by Dongfeng in China and the French Govt then go hunting for massive economies of scale - more shared platforms, technology, supply chain etc. Look to remove overcapacity in production, which will be prevented by the Unions in Germany and the Unions and Govt in France. Turn guns on Ellesmere Port and Luton and use handily available Brexit excuse. British Govt will make some wimpering and huffing and puffing noises but that will be about the extent of it.

Phase 2. Continue process indefinitely whilst Koreans/Skoda whittle away at the cheap end of your market and 'premium' Germans encroach from above. Waste money trying to push DS as a premium brand. Launch Mokka in Iran to punish them for nuclear programme

Phase 3. Run out of money again in about five years. Govt steps in again. Continue cycle with maybe added Renault or FCA or both.
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 04:38 PM

Sad to say you may well be right.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:15 PM

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:20 PM

How about get rid of Vauxhall as a brand. How much must it cost to rebrand an entire range for the uk?

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:22 PM

Was this not talked about a few years ago? Possibly the other way round, with GM taking over PSA.



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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:24 PM

How about get rid of Vauxhall as a brand. How much must it cost to rebrand an entire range for the uk?


No. Dump DS and develop Vauxhall as the premium brand with a new Cresta (pink/white roof naturally) and an Astra "Prince Henry Sports Torpedo" edition?
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:24 PM

How about get rid of Vauxhall as a brand. How much must it cost to rebrand an entire range for the uk?

 

 

I always said that. GM have Opel, a brand that in the seventies and eighties had a 'Made in Germany' aura to it here. With swanky new showrooms, an Opel Insignia would have made inroads into VAG. Vauxhalls are after all German designed cars with a dying badge screwed on. How many badgeless Insignias do you see with the black plastic behind in the form of the Opel badge?

 

Vauxhalls/Opels are pretty decent cars that with the Opel badge, could take the fight to VW. Maybe a bit late now though.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:25 PM

Premium Vauxhall? They've tried that with the Cascada. Fell flat on its face.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:26 PM

I always said that. GM have Opel, a brand that in the seventies and eighties had a 'Made in Germany' aura to it here. With swanky new showrooms, an Opel Insignia would have made inroads into VAG. Vauxhalls are after all German designed cars with a dying badge screwed on. How many badgeless Insignias do you see with the black plastic behind in the form of the Opel badge?

Vauxhalls/Opels are pretty decent cars that with the Opel badge, could take the fight to VW. Maybe a bit late now though.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:26 PM

Premium Vauxhall? They've tried that with the Cascada. Fell flat on its face.


Was that supposed to be 'premium'???

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:32 PM

It's all about image, desirability and marketing. The Germans have this sewn up neatly. Kia and Hyundai have the old duffer/treehugger/trendy 'don't want a German car' bit sewn up. You can buy a new MINI for 14 grand FFS (I was shocked).

 

PSA are just making white goods but I can see Nissan and Renault in a similar bind before very long. They're just making automotive wallpaper. I would buy a new Golf if I had to buy a new car. It's no better than an Astra, but after 3 years it's worth more than a cup of cold piss. Would I buy a new Nissan or Renault? Not a chance in hell. I like Vauxhall stuff but wouldn't buy new.

 

 

 

And that's the problem - most think like this. It's common sense really.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:41 PM

Brand perception (ugh!) was mostly locked in about 30 years ago. Vauxhall or Peugeot could make the best car in the world and people would still flock to something worse but with a better badge.
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 05:48 PM

The current citroen range is far more interesting than anything the Germans are making IMO.

The new C4 is a very nice car and I'd rather have one than a Golf, but unfortunately as the good reverend bluejeans points out, it would be worth about 50p after a few years

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 06:59 PM

Might improve the quality of modern Vauxhalls and Opel's. :mrgreen:

I always thought that GMs Opel business was one of those few profit making entities of GM? Or maybe that's why it's being sold, to free up cash. Vauxhall certainly are still one of the biggest selling marque here.
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 07:03 PM

Every other car is a Vauxhall, new and old. How are they doing so badly if they're everywhere?
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 07:12 PM

BMC outsold Ford and GM throughout the sixties in the UK, but lost money on their biggest sellers (Mini, 1100). They were pretty much bankrupt by 1968.

 

VW were bankrupt by 1970 despite selling 8 trillion Beetles. It happens.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 07:34 PM

Every other car is a Vauxhall, new and old. How are they doing so badly if they're everywhere?

 

Low profit fleet sales.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 07:35 PM

I heard of this and immediately thought of our Billeh Cavcraft - it's his favourite two marques rolling into one!

 

They'll be worth about 30p and half a Rizla in a few years minutes.


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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:31 PM

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Indenor-engined HB Viva anyone?



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I was thinking the other way, 2.0i 8v 20SEH-powered Peugeot 405SRi would be a fuggin hoot, though I concede that an XUD9T would be the bollocks in a Cavalier.

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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:42 PM

Couple of things I learned from the news today
1. Opel 'owns' Vauxhall. O really?
2. Stock footage from PSA factory showed fit birds making C6es, could they get any cooler?
3. The combined workforce of Luton and Ellesmere Port is 4,500. Fuck me, there would have been more people than that on the sick on any given day in the 60's!

In other news , they've started building houses on part of the Luton site, just opposite The scicillian Cafe and the bookies, ie right in the middle of the factory/ Head Office complex! Perfect for Billy.
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 09:46 PM

Bring back the Talbot brand and compete with Dacia.

Just base it on whatever platform, design a neat but not necessary fashionable body, sack off wanky features like led DRLs and rain sensitive whatnots, fit black bumpers and call it the Samba.

That's my castle in the sky anyway.
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 10:39 PM

I genuinely fear for the future of Vauxhall if this alliance* goes ahead.

It is too easy for a large French company to close factories in UK, just look at the loss of Ryton. I hope I'm wrong and we see the opposite effect, with PSA building cars in here again. That would be a great boost to our motor industry and be positive news in the Brexit fallout, but time will tell.

I know all Vauxhalls are shit but a marque with that heritage doesn't deserve to be lost forever.
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