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Jag S-Type - first hand experiences?


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#1 OFFLINE   smellypoo

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:24 AM

So Dad has a Mondeo that I'm running around in while he's abroad for half a year (he's retired and loving it) but has given me permission to change it if I so wish.

I can't use it for work as cosmetically it's tattier than a raggy doll (wrong impression blah blah blah) but I do quite like using it for local running such as the supermarket or a tip run.

Been looking at cheap but plush alternatives and while I'm not overly keen on the looks, I know Dad likes the S Type, particularly the facelift. Most seem pretty well specced and the manual 2.7 dizzler variety looks interesting.

I just wanted to know the thoughts of the ASylum - I know it's a bit modern, while I might use it when he's not here it will be Dad's car. Any knowledge, recommendations or experience shared would be appreciated!

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:25 AM

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:49 AM

An S Type is on my list of cars I'd like to have a go in but I have had a Lincoln LS for three weeks, many years ago. I liked the LS a lot and can only imagine the Jag is an even better drive.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 08:54 AM

I don't think the S-Type rusts quite so readily as the X-Type, but I've read about suspension bits and pieces disintegrating to dust.

The diesel is supposed to be very good.

There are some right bargains around, even 2005 pre tax models are attractive money. The later ones are also supposed to be much more sorted, issues wise.

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:06 AM

When I fancied a manual diesel, there were very few about, and the few there were had had the arse ragged out of 'em.  I gave up looking.  It also surprised me how many dealers had ticked the manual box for ebay/autotrader when the car was clearly an auto in the photos.

 

Early diesels (04 to mid 05) didn't have a dpf - apparently you can tell by the exhausts being turned downwards at the rear instead of straight.  The pre-facelift cars are more Lincoln LS - Jag got to do their own thing and completely revised the front cross member for the later cars (much improved handling according to the beards although the early one I test drove seemed fine) - the interior became much more Jaaaag at this point.

 

Later ones have the electric handbrake.

 

If I hadn't been put off by my X350, I'd probably consider one of these - but all the ones I've seen within striking distance are either fucked or staggeringly expensive for what they are.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:11 AM

I don't think the S-Type rusts quite so readily as the X-Type, but I've read about suspension bits and pieces disintegrating to dust.
The diesel is supposed to be very good.
There are some right bargains around, even 2005 pre tax models are attractive money. The later ones are also supposed to be much more sorted, issues wise.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:12 AM

Another thing that put me off was some of the DIY stuff - apparently you have to take the wipers off and remove some lump of plastic to change the air filter, and I saw some dire warnings about not changing the rear pads yourself due to the electric handbrake.  

 

If this was Pistonheads, someone would say "Well you should expect to budget eleventy million pounds a second to run such a marvellous premium car" but I don't/didn't.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:12 AM

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:16 AM

That (very rusty) front subframe linked to was a 99 - the Lincoln LS type - later ones are pure Jag and mostly Aluminium so don't have the rust trap and don't rot the same.  The chocolate bushes are a different matter.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:20 AM

Aye, I wouldn't touch a pre 2000 one; a 2004 or 2005 with a full history file may be a different story...

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:42 AM

Mrs N had a 3.0 petrol manual for 3 years, it was ultimate poverty spec white with cloth, and we both loved it.
At the same time I ran an e39 530d then a 320cdi CLS and the Jag always felt a bit more special to sit in and drive, sure it creaked and rattled and felt generally as if it had been thrown together by some disinterested Brummies using bits of cheap American plastic but it drove lovely. She ran it from 100 to just over 200,000 miles and only stopped using it because all of the usual suspects failed at the same time. The driver's window dropped into the door, the heater valve failed and it developed a misfire that was probably a coil pack , all within a week. I parked it up, intending to sort it and bought her a Freelander 2- that was nearly 5 years ago.

It went like fook, probably felt faster to me because I'm used to diesels , so the novelty of wringing a small high revving petrol right out in every gear was addictive.
I think Andythetyreman is who can tell you about the dizzlers.
Funnily enough the XF leaves me cold, I looked at one just before Christmas but bought an E Class instead. Maybe they're too accomplished, Jags should be a bit shonky, it's called character.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:48 AM

I'm on my second S type.

First was a 99T 3.0 petrol auto.
Nice car but had its share of problems, no ac, no heat, window regulators gone in rear doors. Wouldn't lock on fob but key worked.
Had it 6 months and only put a pair of Arb bushes on it.

Current one is an 06 2.7d manual with dpf.
Not had any problems apart from locking wheelnut issue, partly my fault.
Sills like brand new, all depends on where the car has been kept.
Good on fuel, 40 to 50+ depending on how it's driven.
Manual box is bulletproof and makes it a better driving experience.

There's some bargains to be had and although they are an expensive, executive car there's nothing to check anymore than on a "normal" car.

Mk1 has normal handbrake
Mk1,5 02-late 03 has a mix of old and new styles + epb.
Facelift 04 on is loads different.

Just find the best one in your budget and double check everything works.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 10:04 AM

I'm a Jaaaag fan. The S type does nothing for me. A friend had a 2.7 diseasel sport thing on an 07 plate, rare spec apparently as it had the 19" wheels, mesh grilles etc, but no CATS suspension.

I thought it was a horrible thing. Went quite well, but it got through lots of expensive suspension bits, injector seals and random electrical gubbins. It was grey and hideous inside.

Luckily it got stolen and written off, so the owner replaced it with an XF 3.0d.

Seriously, if you're after a Jaaaag get an XJ.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 10:09 AM

No first hand experience but the bloke I work alongside has one, X reg which cost him about a grand five years ago.   Apart from bodging up a rear exhaust mount and spending two Saturdays sorting out various central locking issues it has not, so far, caused him any grief.   He is pretty hands-on but also old school and a technophobe.   Seems to suit him (he spends most of his time buggering about with old scooters).    Not my cup of tea but I enjoyed blasting it around when he was after flogging it last year.   Not a recommendation but I reckon its shit loads better than the X Types I have encountered....


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:24 PM

I reckon its shit loads better than the X Types I have encountered....


The only X types worth having are the 3.0 V6 ones. The diesels are not nice.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:39 PM

After a Mondeo, pretty much anything is going to seem nice.


I had a 3.0 auto S-type and it was lovely to drive. I heard a few rumours that the auto boxes like to self grenade after the 100k mark.
They're a million times nicer than the X-type, and I think are built on a Lincoln platform, so the stigma of being a Mondeo in a frock isn't there.
They do seem really cheap at the minute and I think the Jag snobs don't like them too much, so assuming all the electrics work, the gearbox is ok and the dashboard doesn't look like a game of Simon, you should go for it if the price is right.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:48 PM

I have had a 3 litre X type estate for six weeks and so far so good. It is fast and handles and grips well. Autobox may blunt it a bit but I liked the colour and spec and price so put up with auto. It needed a couple of suspension bits and I have also had the oil and transmission and transfer box fluids changed.

So far I would say it is a better car than the internetz suggest. The local garage who did the suspension and oil commented that they find X Types to be mostly ok. The AA man who was looking at my Dolomite's alternator at home the other day commented to similar effect when he noticed the X Type parked up.

It may be that the really shonky ones have died by now, so the ones now left are the less shonky, and may have been looked after, but I dunno. Maybe mine will explode any minute now.

I hear good things about the driving appeal of S Types but I don't like the looks and prefer estates anyway.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 02:34 PM

I had a brief flirtation with an S-Type last year. Mine was a manual pre 2000 3 litre so not much of my experience is relevant to the OP looking at a facelift diesel.

 

Mine drove well and sounded good with a decent turn of speed. Handling wise it was good fun if a little remote (as to be expected with this type of car to be fair) but could be chucked about more than you'd expect. Skinny tyres on mine "helped" with this

 

Mine had MOT advisories for a rusty rear subframe, that seems to kill a lot of them now. Other than that it was rot free. 

 

Inside mine felt very much like a big Ford-even the script on the dials was lifted straight from a Mondeo. 

 

Things like changing wipers is a pain-you need to remove the wiper arms to do this. 

 

Rear seats fold which is unusual on a big saloon.

 

See my thread for my thoughts at the time. Starts about half way down this page

 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 03:41 PM

Thanks for the input guys, I think the S-type is certainly a contender on the assumption I can find a decent one. Will certainly post up here if I end up buying one!



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 03:46 PM

I think a Cadillac CTS would be much better in all aspects.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 03:50 PM

I'm a Jaaaag fan. The S type does nothing for me. A friend had a 2.7 diseasel sport thing on an 07 plate, rare spec apparently as it had the 19" wheels, mesh grilles etc, but no CATS suspension.

I thought it was a horrible thing. Went quite well, but it got through lots of expensive suspension bits, injector seals and random electrical gubbins. It was grey and hideous inside.

Luckily it got stolen and written off, so the owner replaced it with an XF 3.0d.

Seriously, if you're after a Jaaaag get an XJ.

 

Re: the XJ - I personally would prefer an XJ, but if with the size of the thing I think I'd cry when he inevitably giffers the thing - they look lovely when they're a nice well kept car. With the S Type I'm not so keen on the looks so if he ends up driving by touch rather than by sight, I don't think I'd mind as much. It might even give it a bit more character, perhaps like the MK2 in Withnail and I. Or maybe that will never happen.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 03:57 PM

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:33 PM

The best S-Type advice would probably be to go for the cheapest newest moon on a stick you can possibly find.

 

This has spent a while winking at me from Autotrader's pages...

http://www.autotrade...201611099583698

 

A visit to the MOT site shows an 'oil leak from engine' the last two tests as an advisory and an engine light on in 2015.

 

Otherwise, relatively clean.

 

This dizzler appears to have already had all its suspension borkery done and dusted a couple of years ago, otherwise also very clean...

http://www.autotrade...201612170662842


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:53 PM

The best S-Type advice would probably be to go for the cheapest newest moon on a stick you can possibly find.

 

This has spent a while winking at me from Autotrader's pages...

http://www.autotrade...201611099583698

 

A visit to the MOT site shows an 'oil leak from engine' the last two tests as an advisory and an engine light on in 2015.

 

Otherwise, relatively clean.

 

This dizzler appears to have already had all its suspension borkery done and dusted a couple of years ago, otherwise also very clean...

http://www.autotrade...201612170662842

 

I did notice that second one (the dizzler) the other day - might actually go and take a look at it, it's within 30 miles. The coffee & cream leather interior doesn't look that bad on the pics (both cars have the same!)



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:58 PM

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:58 PM

Driver's door is open: car's a dud.

 

 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:02 PM

The S Type to me is one of those cars you buy for £500 tops, binning it when it goes wrong. I think they're bloody awful things but you can forgive a lot for £395 with a long MOT.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:09 PM

Driver's door is open: car's a dud.

 

 

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I do like green-lit instruments/dash/switches though, even if they are warning me of an open door. 



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:13 PM

That Dizzler looks good - pre dpf.  It doesn't mention the cambelt, but it should have been done at 105,000.  When I was looking at dizzler XJs and S-Types (I bought an XJ), there were a lot at 100-104K - i.e. coming up to the belt change.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 06:15 PM

Driver's door is open: car's a dud.


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