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Dacia shit(e) - Kiltox's 2017 Dacia Duster 1.6 Access!


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#1 OFFLINE   Kiltox

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 05:05 PM

Thought I'd post here because although I'm reliably informed they qualify as future shite they're still firmly modern. Awl modernz etc.

Thinking about buying a Duster in 1.6 petrol Access shite spec

Anyone know much about them? Particularly interested in finding out what engine is actually in the new EU6 1.6 115 model because according to the Renault/Dacia press release its "all new and not based on the old engine"

Original 105 engine was the Renault K4M of Megane/Scenic II fame.... mmmm dephaser pulleys
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#2 OFFLINE   Kiltox

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 05:07 PM

Also, anyone know if these black bumpers can be sourced? Aparrently no UK market cars came with them despite the website showing it as the Access model

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#3 OFFLINE   sierraman

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 05:55 PM

I like them. In fact if I were to have a new un it would be a Duster. Very me, utilitarian built for the job. Another sign I was born 30 years too late.
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#4 OFFLINE   Kiltox

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 06:06 PM

Also quite like the Logan MCV which is even cheaper!

Early Access Dusters had paint issues including very premature rust but they were recalled and sorted out so I don't think that's a worry any more
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#5 OFFLINE   Kiltox

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:13 PM

Engine stuff - looks to me like it's the Nissan HR16DE / Renault H4M which is chain driven. Less woe than the K4M potentially but I don't have much faith in Nissan/Renault's ability to make timing chains that aren't made from chocolate
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#6 OFFLINE   They_all_do_that_sir

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:44 PM

Those steel wheels look far better than the alloys available.
Neighbour is on his second, first was a pez in basic trim, this was swapped after a year for a slightly more upmarket derv. Both had colour coded bumpers

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#7 OFFLINE   Kiltox

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 07:46 PM

Yeah the Access comes with colour coded bumper with a bit of black trim on the bottom

Don't think it's available anywhere with solid black bumpers any more
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 08:57 PM

Reading auto express yesterday, the sandaro now comes with a 1.0 3 cylinder banger, for £5995 for the base model.
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:03 PM

Are RHD Dusters still nailed together in India?


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:04 PM

Thought I'd post here because although I'm reliably informed they qualify as future shite they're still firmly modern. Awl modernz etc.

 

Datcher's proper shite, m8.

 

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#11 OFFLINE   Kiltox

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:10 PM

Are RHD Dusters still nailed together in India?

I don't think so because reports of paint issues have stopped and it was Indian dusters that had those

No idea though.
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:31 PM

Last I read they'd got Romanian RHD production up. They started shipping from India first as they hadn't got the RHD line ready in time.
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:32 PM

Are RHD Dusters still nailed together in India?

 

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:45 PM

Yes all RHD Dusters now come from Romania and have done for the last year or so (since minor facelift).

My lass has an Indian (2014) petrol Access in white.
She got it as it's got tons of space and was cheap (£9500 brand new), has tons of room for kids and stuff, and the interior is tough as old boots and you could almost hose it out. Drives okay, surprisingly amusing to punt along, a bit heavy-ish on fuel, bumpers are quite tough (painted) and you can get a washing machine in the boot without folding the seats down.

 

Nearly three years and 30k later I don't have a clue what she'll replace it with apart from another one.


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 10:19 PM

That's the spec I'd be after - now comes with a slightly more economical slightly more powerful engine.

Did she bother having a stereo fitted?
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 10:27 PM

Swapped my Logan MCV for a Duster last month. I know talk here is of petrol Access models - more in keeping with the Autoshite ethos - but mine is a derv Laureate. The Logan was a good car, but the Duster is much better all round. It's a nicer place to sit and more user-friendly, its better put together and model for model the Duster seems slightly up-specced from the Sandero/Logan equivalent.



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:13 PM

AR, how was your Logan experience? 



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:19 PM

I thought the 1.6 had been retired and replaced with 1.2 tce turbo motor.  The base duster is more like 9 grand.


I estimate this car needs £3000 maybe £4000 spending on it to get it rite and when this is done it will be wotrth about £1500!!

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:21 PM

AR, how was your Logan experience? 

 

2 years, 30,000 miles. Never put a foot wrong. Completely faultless.

 

It only had a couple of small niggles for me which were addressed by changing to the Duster, and indeed the 2017 facelift of the Sandero/Logan sorts them too - so they must have been niggles for everyone! 


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:24 PM

I thought the 1.6 had been retired and replaced with 1.2 tce turbo motor. The base duster is more like 9 grand.

No, it's been replaced with a newer Euro 6 1.6 n/a petrol.

Don't think I'd consider a turbo petrol as a long term ownership proposition so I hope that doesn't change any time soon!
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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:25 PM

I thought the world had given up on 1.6's and the like and replaced them all with tiny turbos. 


I estimate this car needs £3000 maybe £4000 spending on it to get it rite and when this is done it will be wotrth about £1500!!

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:53 PM

I thought the world had given up on 1.6's and the like and replaced them all with tiny turbos.


Turbos with their pipework, sensors and ancillaries are expensive. However they offer a manufacturer a lot of tuning choices. So possible to get headline (often not real world) low fuel and emission figures. This is what sells cars.

However on the Dacias it's their low ticket price that primilary sells them. So Renault would have taken the effort of going N/A to keep the costs low and put engineering effort into hitting emission figures at the expense of ultra low fuel consumption and high bhp.

Interestingly I was reading an IET article that had said that automotive manufacturers are looking back to bigger engines again as they're easier to hit real world emission figures - especially NOX. So will be interesting to see what comes out in the next few years. We're at the age now where we're hitting what will be the pinnacle of automotive internal combustion engines. Stuff very soon will become more and more electric and alternative forms of propulsion.

For ease of maintenance and highest reliability, I don't think we'll get much better than multi-port indirect injection n/a petrol engines. Direct injection, turbos, etc all add significant complications and require much higher tolerances.

Basically, not all may realise this but we're in a golden age right now of IC powered cars.
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:47 AM

My firm is considering MCV [the Sandero estate] derv to replace a fleet of WVM Pug Partners.

Perhaps with tint on the rears.

Less to run/insure than the vans... So it seems.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:51 AM

Basically, not all may realise this but we're in a golden age right now of IC powered cars.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 11:28 AM

getting Mrs Colc a dizzler Stepway Laureate this very afternoon.......................ex demo........Stepway stickers being removed, as it smacks slightly of disabled conveyance.........................drove one a couple of days before Xmas, very impressed, some of the trim is a bit third world, but very nice to drive.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 12:52 PM

Buy the white one on eBay that needs a door

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 01:57 PM

I've got a 63 plate 1.5 diesel. Mine was a Romanian built, its had 2 recalls for rust inspections, but as far as I can see, there's none on the car. The Romanian built cars were a big step up in quality apparently. I love it, I've never taken to a car so quickly, it's comfortable and does ( trip computer says) 46/47 mpg no matter how you drive it. The company I'm currently working for has a few Nissan NV200s and I think they use the same engine, the one I've been using is 6 years old and has 128k on the clock and runs great, so hopefully..... The only downside to owning a Dacia, will be the depreciation I reckon ( and the abuse from a couple of mates)
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 06:48 PM

Mrs fps dad has a 64 plate 1.6 pez duster, what a fantastic thing it is, he had it at a year old, someone had ticked the boxes on a lot of extras, what I couldn't understand though was the fact that when you opt for the better stereo you still don't get rear speakers or the sub looms that run from the rear of the stereo to the rear doors, it's nothing a shiter with a spare hour and some speaker cable can't sort, I also fitted a towbar to it for him, another nice easy job, holes are in rear chassis legs already, it takes more time to strip the rear plastics out than to fit the bar itself, the plug and play loom is cheap as chips from Renault as well meaning warranty is kept, the only problem he has had which they still haven't got to the bottom of each time it goes in, from time to time it has an unsteady idle that drops and hunts quite a bit, I'm unwilling to start fucking about with it and checking it over though because of the warranty, so it will have to keep going back to them until they sort it, other than that it really is brilliant I've used it quite a bit for stuff and I like it
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 06:53 PM

Interesting - I read that the rear speaker wiring was present as standard so it seems they'll just throw in stuff at random like a real Renault
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 06:58 PM

From the speaker pod to the middle of the door was there, the bit that counts from the dash to the door wasn't, not too big a deal like I say, you'd never know it had been messed with
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