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#211 ONLINE   Datsuncog

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 10:22 AM

Nice thread resurrection! Have enjoyed taking a flick through these, though shame that some of the pics have dropped off.

 

If we're still playing Marina-themed Top Trumps, have a pic of GOL 564L, which I understand has passed through the hands of numerous shiters and may be familiar to some on here. Known as 'Marla', this lovely now resides with a friend outside Belfast as his first non-modern car. Originally a white 1300 Deluxe, it's had a full mechanical rebuild but may* need a spot of bodywork in the near future.

 

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Also significant to me as it was used as our wedding car!

 

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Posted 25 January 2018 - 11:35 PM

It's sad to see that coupehatch has fallen in to such a state, I hope someone saves it


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Posted 26 January 2018 - 01:31 AM

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Posted 26 January 2018 - 01:56 AM

More Marinas (Marinae?) of the southern hemisphere.

 

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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:02 PM

Saw this on my travels today, it stood out like a sore thumb even in the dusk! Sore thumb as in it looked like a mode of transport compared with today's ego-massagers.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:03 AM

Time for another thread resurrection!

 

That hatchback is a complete turd of a car. Patch upon patch underneath and a couple of structural chassis rails completely missing...

 

Anyway, a few months ago I came into possession of the earliest surviving Marina, which I discovered in a shed in Dorset. It had been there since 1979 having only had one owner and before that it was a dealer demonstrator for Henlys. When he died the house passed to his son who then passed away last year, leaving everything to his brother. Sadly the shed roof developed a hole which was never repaired which meant water had been pouring onto the car for years. All the bodywork forward of the bulkhead on the driver's side will need replacing as will all the chassis rails on the driver's side. The Marina Club President down on the Isle of Wight has offered to do the bodywork. I am just in the middle of selling most things I own to pay for it- it will be a five figure sum by the time it is finished. This car was built in January 1971, chassis number 343 (production began on 101), and was built before some of the press cars. Holy grail for me!

 

Marina-wise not too many updates since last time. I sold BOP92K on to a new owner in Lincolnshire who had a fine collection of cars which included two Allegros and a 1950s Jag. I have also sold HUC766K on to a friend of mine. Next to go will be my 1.3 saloon with 25k on the clock- all to help fund VRU.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:15 AM

I have also been chopping and changing my daily cars....

 

A while back I purchased a 306 2.0 16v cabriolet as an engine donor for the 405. With a few tweaks this will basically be the equivalent of an Mi16 engine for half the price. Then in December I managed to crack the sump on the 405 when I hit a log on a single track road which I didn't see until it was too late.... So I took the 405 off the road ready to begin the swap. The engine is now out of the 306 (which has now been stripped and weighed in) and I have just finished buying all the necessary parts to do the swap. I will also be getting some of the bodywork sorted and eventually it will be yet another weekend car rather than a daily drive.

 

With the 405 off the road I needed a new daily car that weekend to get to work the following week. I looked around for the cheapest car I could find locally and ended up with a Vauxhall Astra 'Montana' (Hannah). It was a truly awful car and when I managed to flip it two weeks later (Police reckoned it was a diesel spill) I was quite glad to see the back of the miserable turd. 

 

Fortunately I was off for Christmas which meant a bit more time to find a replacement car. My partner (who has a bad back) was saying she fancied a 306 with power steering. So we set out and ended up with a Y reg 1.6 Meridian with all the toys, she bought that and I bought her M reg 1.4 Mardi Gras (no PAS). I have been using the Mardi Gras for the past month or so, it's a great little car and only has about 50k on the clock. However I was then chatting with a mate of mine who asked me if I saved the door mirror covers from the 306 cabrio, as he wanted to tidy a few bits on his PH2 D-Turbo before selling it. Naturally I ended up buying it off him, so we currently have three 306s on the driveway. The Mardi Gras will be up for sale soon. The plan with the D-Turbo is to keep it for a while, tidy it up etc. but eventually find another 405 to use everyday.

 

When we picked up the D-Turbo I also bumped into an old flame- my old 309 turbo diesel. Sadly it has now popped it's head gasket in true XUD style and as it has never been in the best state bodywork wise it is now going to be chopped up for spares. RIP.

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:16 AM

Excellent! That's some dedicated resto work ahead of you (well, the president) but great to see it's been saved; I guess it could've just as easily have gone for scrap if someone somewhere down the line didn't recognise it was such an early one. Here's hoping you retain the tow bar and relocated number plate as a period mod, the likes of which you don't see these days.

 

I've just been reading a couple of period articles about the Australian Marina Six, so Marinas overall are quite high on my personal 'old cars of interest' bell curve at the moment.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:20 AM

Yes I'm quite happy patching up old heaps but the level of work this car needs is beyond my skills sadly. Needs a proper workshop, proper tools etc!

 

In other car news I have also rediscovered my love of old Citroens and have set my heart on a BX GTi. I went to view one in Ipswich but sadly it turned out to be a turd, shame as I doubt I will find one closer. I then negotiated on another one up in Lancashire but the advert turned out to be a pack of lies so I withdrew from the sale and am still looking if anybody comes across one.... Have set my heart on an 8v GTi to try and stop myself buying any old heap that comes up for sale...


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:33 AM

Looking forward to the heroic Marina resto thread! Great save. Mad, but great.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:37 AM

Awesome update. I look forward to the Marina resto unfolding!

I might be interested in that Mardi Gras 306 by the way, I need to try one out...

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:50 AM

I was going to stick it up for £500 but open to offers. MOT'd until November, done about 56k from memory. My partner bought it last September and used it daily, before I then used it daily. Have done about 10k in it between us without any problems. Fitted a new (Gates) cambelt and water pump when we bought it, also had a new passenger side driveshaft. Now due another oil and filter change but I can do that before it goes. 1.4 TU engine, surprisingly revvy little engine. Lovely to drive. Has original dealer key fob, sticker, plates etc. Also has the original Mardi Gras floormats for bonus cool points. Sits on 405 alloys which had new tyres up front when we bought it, and will have a new tyre on one of the back wheels after I had a puncture a couple of weeks ago. Comes with original trims but the original steels have gone. Has a dent on passenger side sill (owned by one family before we got it, passed around and son learnt to drive in it.... causing the sill dent!) and a crease on the driver's door from somebody in a supermarket car park which I was absolutely livid about....

 

If I had a use for it I'd keep it but just know it would sit around and never get used again. It's a really lovely little car. 

 

Sadly there won't be many Marina updates for a while as my mate is booked up for bodywork for the next two years, so it's just a case of raising cash and trying not to spunk it all on French tat in the meantime.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:04 AM

That coupe is awesome.

If you need inspiration, I recall Sid James bought himself one in "Carry on at your convenience" which I believe was also made in 1971. Couldn't be an ex Sid James car now could it?

I had a coupe in 1990 - I got it for £30 from a mates Grandad. It was shagged but I had big plans, or at least I did until I realised the entire floor was made up of food tins, flattened out, and brazed together. The old boy had even left the labels on some of them which was handy as the use by date on 1986 on a Spam tin label helped us to carbon date the repairs!

The clutch failed on the way to the scrappy. Shame really, but a potless, talentless 17 year old with no money didn't stand a chance with it

EDIT - found a pic of Sids motor, can't make out the plate though

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:59 PM

I've only managed to catch one Marina outside of the show/meet environ, way back in the summer of 2015.

 

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Racking my brains and I can't recall even seeing one when I've had no camera to hand. I did once see the blue Mumford convertible on the A3.

 

 


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:07 PM

Here is aforementioned Mumford at the Walton Bridge Breakfast Club meet.

 

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:10 PM

That Carry on Marina was a J reg but it's not on the DVLA database any more. I went with Josh to collect the 306, you know you've bought a winner when you can't even lock it to go in the pub!

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:18 PM

Did'nt the J plate Marina appear in a magazine? So many drivers these days know nothing of car control - driving a marina and mk IV zodiac should be part of the driving test.
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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:45 PM

Yes it did- Practical Classics are going to be covering the rebuild in some form.

 

That yellow one is a ringer- started life as a Russett MK3, still has the MK3 rear lamp panel cut to accomodate MK1 rear lights!

 

I was happier driving the 306 back than sitting in the car with your farts any longer Trigg. Had a few good laughs that day! It's the only reason I keep buying shite cars...


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 06:17 PM

Well today I finally became the owner of a car I have wanted since I was a kid. I have always loved the shape of BXs and a background interest in them turned into serious want last summer. I set my heart on finding an 8v GTi. By doing this I was making sure I didn't buy the first turd that came along like I usually do. Most survivors are diesels, as much as I love an XUD (despite my previous experiences with them) I wouldn't want one in a weekend fun car, and I can't warm to the bodykit on the 16v GTis.

 

There was one locally on eBay for ages but it was up for silly money, however I noticed the price dropped steadily and when it reached £1500 (the budget I had set) I went for a look. It was a clean car but with a tired pump and no service history I walked away as he wouldn't budge on price.

 

I then did a deal for one up in Lancashire (it's still for sale...) but then discovered the advert was a pack of lies and that rather than being 'dry stored' for years it sat on a driveway covered in moss!

 

I kept looking, and saw a really tidy red one up for £2.5k. It sold within a day so I was getting worried my budget just wasn't high enough. I then put a couple of wanted ads around and it was after this I heard back from the seller of the local one I had already seen. After chatting again he agreed to come down to £1300. This left me with a couple of hundred to source things like cambelt, spheres, pump etc. I was really hoping for one with all the work done but because it was local, and had cool pinstripes, and a reasonable price I just couldn't say no.

 

It made the 20 mile drive home. There's a few issues. It has sat for a while so the calipers were a little sticky, going up the slip road to the A14 was interesting, but they soon improved and the brakes feel great. It has a new exhaust but it has a major blow and of course it needs a major service. It's covered 120k but the engine pulls well, oil pressure is good, it goes up and down and it has those pinstripes. The ABS light is of course on, like all BXs with ABS. Sadly the sensors are no longer available.

 

The hideous wheels complete with nearly new tyres will be up for sale. If anyone has a set of originals (as per the last two pictures which I found of it from early last year) please drop me a line...

 

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 06:35 PM

I also had some French car related disappointment (that sentence probably sums up my life actually). My 306 D Turbo is proving to be a nice little daily, it drives great and uses bugger all fuel, but I do miss driving a 405 everyday. I was chatting to my 405 obsessed mate (I also bought my GLX from him) about it and he reminded me he had a 2.0 STI sitting in his stock which he wasn't doing anything with. He agreed to get it on the road for me and it would be my new daily.

 

He knew it needed some work- at least a new front subframe and the backs of the sills in the usual place. However, he got it on the ramp to start welding and discovered there is rot just about everywhere. He has had absolutely loads of 405s and reckons this is the worst he has seen, so sadly it won't be joining my fleet and is being broken for spares instead. I am absolutely gutted about it as it looks stunning in Sorrento Green. You'd never know from on top how bad it is underneath!

 

So I am now seeking a high spec but not mint 405 saloon....

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Posted 06 March 2018 - 06:40 PM

That's lovely, those wheels look great to me, but I am a chav.
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BX Gtis were faster than identically powered 405 SRis, but Mk3 Cavalier SRis were faster than both in a straight line, however my BX would stick to the back bumper of a hard driven Cavlier on a windy road.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:02 AM

That BX is proper sexy. Well bought!

Original wheels are soooo much better, it doesn't look original and 80s without them. Good swap.

The ABS might not need sensors if you're lucky - might just be a wiring or connector fail. The sensors aren't unique to BX, they're reasonably common, just the wiring is. It's not a big job to cut the connector off and solder a replacement sensor on if you need to.

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 10:59 PM

It's awful. Dibs on a drive when I see you next!

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 12:34 PM

Well it's been a busy time here at Marina towers.

 

The BX is progressing well. I was really surprised how hard it is to find parts and how expensive they are though. Even asking on the BX groups seems fairly fruitless. I eventually found this place in the Netherlands which had most bits I needed for a reasonable price: https://www.garage80.nl/

 

I have now replaced most of the broken interior trim, and sorted all the dash lights out so they are now working.

 

The next job which is underway is a new cambelt and water pump- the old cambelt was absolutely ancient and the tensioner was completely knackered. How it ran is beyond me! Once this is done I will be fitting new spheres and replacing the LHM. I have also discovered the rear trailing arm bearings are knackered so those will be replaced. Fortunately it looks a lot easier on a BX than on Peugeots with no need to remove the rear axle. Then it will be time to stick it in for an MOT and see what else it might need.

 

I haven't been able to find any original wheel trims yet but I have now got a set of steelies ready for them- removed from a 405 in a local scrappy. I have also found a set of original BX alloys locally which I will get refurbished.

 

I have noticed the headlights are corroded so if anybody has any NOS ones or very good used please let me know. Again they are no longer available!

 

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Speaking of MOTs I finally took this heap for one which it passed with flying colours. Brakes need a bit of adjustment and I have a new dynamo ready to go on.

 

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I have also said goodbye to this, after five years of sitting doing nothing, and now being in the possession of the earliest one, I was never going to do anything with it. The new owner will though!

 

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I also said hello to this. I was on the Citroen group on Facebook only for this to pop up as an eBay ad. I sent the seller a message and he said I could have it for £500. It's an HDi Exclusive. The seller ran a garage up in Norwich but was retiring. He was a Citroen mechanic all his life. You know it's a good sign when you turn up to collect a car and the garage walls are covered with posters of DSs, BXs, CXs, GSs etc. It's done just over 110k and drives absolutely beautifully. Very comfortable but uses sod all diesel. Hopefully going to have many happy miles in it as a daily driver.

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Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:23 PM

There was a very early modification made to Marinas - something to do with the front suspension and was as a result of various early road testers saying to BL ‘you really need to sort out this understeer’. I haven’t the details to hand but it was quite well documented at the time. I think the modified parts were fitted by dealers, so I assume your car will have them being a Henlys demo.

I have a 1972 copy of Motoring Which magazine which advises you to make sure any prospective ‘nearly-new’ Marina purchase has these modifications, so I guess a few escaped into the wild.

Does a 1300 have better* handling than an 1800? I realise it’s all pretty subjective by now but BL Special Tuning’s rally man Brian Culcheth reckoned his 1300 Marina Coupe was a good drive and he nearly won the Cyprus rally twice in the early 1970s in his - the same car won its class regularly.
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 03:12 AM

I don't think the alloys are the worst I've ever seen fitted to a BX, they did at least suit the car in their own way, especially for being white with a polished lip.  However, factory options do generally look more betterer.  I'd love another some day but like you found, there's few in the cheap category that are worth having these days, even more so if you're after a particular model.  They do look particularly nice in white, the origami styling suits it much better than some of the later metallics they came in.



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Posted 13 April 2018 - 08:53 AM

The modification to Marina front suspension didn't actually happen until much later... Basically at the launch in Cannes some motoring journalists felt the 1.8 models possessed high levels of understeer and warned BL they would need to do something about it. BL apparently replied that no production 1.8 models would leave the factory without having the suspension modified- this came in the form of a revised trunnion which increased the negative camber of the car. However, this was not sorted before cars started being sold.

 

What happened in the end was the recall of several thousand early TCs to have the revised trunnion fitted however it is clear not all made it back as there's at least one out there with the early trunnions still.

 

This recall never included 1.3s or single carb 1.8s which continued with the unmodified 'suicide' suspension until late 1971 after about 40,000 cars had been made. At this point the Marina was treated to all new front suspension with a revised leg, trunnion and shock absorber which changed the geometry and greatly improved the handling.

 

1.3s handle a lot better than the 1.8s. The B series is a real boat anchor of an engine.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 09:50 AM



.....I was really surprised how hard it is to find parts and how expensive they are though. Even asking on the BX groups seems fairly fruitless. I eventually found this place in the Netherlands which had most bits I needed for a reasonable price: https://www.garage80.nl/.....

 

Don't be surprised. PSA-Citroen have historically been very half-hearted about supporting old/obsolete models, and the BX is no exception.

 

PSA are belatedly waking up to the fact that they've got hundreds of past models still on the roads or needing repair / restoration, and have already started remaking some spare parts for old Peugeots.. They may be starting to cover old Citroens (DSs and 2CVs particularly) as well, but we'll have to wait and see if they'll cater for the BX, CX, etc.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 11:14 AM

^^^ Kinda makes sense - if most car manufacturers (including PSA) are pushing new cars out of the factory to act as marginal loss leaders for their real business of selling personal finance and mandatory franchised dealer servicing, why not tap into the market to extract cash from those who will never buy a new car off them? All those presses and dies for older models just lying there going dusty (except for the ones sold off to Iran/Nigeria etc).

 

Well, it makes sense to me...



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Posted 13 April 2018 - 11:17 AM

.....All those presses and dies for older models just lying there going dusty....

 

In many cases, all that tooling would either have been scrapped or sold off to aftermarket companies. Keeping old tooling takes up space.....


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