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Smart Roadster - Finally in a usable working order


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#91 OFFLINE   hpi_matrix

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 11:26 PM

Looks like some good progress! can you not run a mains lead from your house into the car and leave an electric fan heater on to help dry it out?

 

What seal rejuvenater are you going to use?



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 11:27 PM

You can borrow mine if you want to come and grab it
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Posted 05 March 2017 - 11:37 PM

Looks like some good progress! can you not run a mains lead from your house into the car and leave an electric fan heater on to help dry it out?

What seal rejuvenater are you going to use?


I did contiplate using a fan heater. Problem is, it's at the back of the seats where it's most wet and the car is so small, it's a bit of a fire risk using one in there. Also the constant wet weather isn't useful when trying to run mains electricity outside.

I have tried using my wet vac, but the spongy bit of the carpet has absorbed so much, it can't pull it all out. Also it only seems to suck it out from spongy side too. Got about 100ml out of the bits I could get to. Alternatively I could take out the two seats and then remove the floor carpet entirely. That way it can dry inside properly and fully (and really annoy the wife).

I was going to get some proper Krytox that is recommended for VW EOS seals, but that is bloody price at ~£40 a bottle. The Smart enthusiasts websites recommend the catchy named GummiPflege. At a fiver a bottle, it's much more reasonable.

Incidentally, reading up about the EOS seals, it appears these require maintenance every 8 weeks during the winter months! :o

I think the roof seals may not have been correctly seated when I previously opened up the roof, which where some of the leakage was coming from. That and the stuff leaking through the driver's window + wing mirror area.
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Posted 05 March 2017 - 11:48 PM

I've been looking at them, but the cheap ones are still £50 and crappy petiler modules. Decent ones seem to start around £100. However with 8 tyres to fit this month, plus other expenses on this one still to go, I can't justify buying one this month. My plan is to drive it more and just have the heater on full!

Hopefully now we're in spring we'll start having a few hot* days again.

Try keeping an eye on ebay for dehumidifier as local pickup ones as some can weight abit. My gfs parents smart car needs the carpet removed as it leaks from the back side windows but dehumidifier helped alot need to do it again really 


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Posted 06 March 2017 - 12:09 AM

You can borrow mine if you want to come and grab it


Thanks! I may take you up on that offer.
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Posted 06 March 2017 - 12:55 AM

If you can get to the wet areas with a hoover have you thought about chucking a load of rice in there for a couple of days and then just hoover it up once it's absorbed the moisture?



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Posted 06 March 2017 - 08:06 AM

I've heard good things about the gummy pledge stuff on detailing world. Never tried it mind
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Posted 06 March 2017 - 08:26 AM

When I had mine I managed to get about 20 giant silica gel sacks from some crated printing presses which had been imported from Japan.
I gave 18 away to roadster owners and kept two for my roadster and just kept them behind the seats to trap any moisture.

Another good thing to use are those dehumidifier boxes you can get from pound land and I normally bung about 3 in a car if it's in storage over a damp winter and these also work a treat. Also if you have a leaky roadster (not just smart) it's know for people to use that stuff you buy for cat litter trays and put it in the foot wells of damp cars to dry them out.

I think there is about 3 or 4 revisions on the internal mirror fixings to cure the leak, my car had the latest revision which was basically a tray under the mirror to catch the water then it diverted the water into the door panel though a small hole I think.

But the best (Cheapest) cure really is to use a smidge of silicone grease around the area to stop any water entering and it's just a case of trying to keep on top of the leaks as they occur with a roadster apart of course from the wiper tray leak as that really needs sorting properly for obvious reasons.

I was always quite lucky with mine as it was never that bad but very occasionally I would see the odd drip on the speaker cover but I did get every leak upgrade done with new rubbers and mirrors etc under warranty just to be on the safe side and it rarely saw a drop of rain as I garaged it.

I think it cost smart on average in the region of a few grand per roadster to sort out the issues under warranty but there's cheap alternative fixes out there I'm sure on the roadster net that should see you ok.

But try to look on the bright side as it's the normal thing with most roadsters to chase leaks even my Z3 was full of water in the boot when I lifted the carpet which had to be cured by removing the brake light and installing a new seal.
Also on my Z3 when I bought it there was a split in the rear window (which is one leak you won't get on a smart roadster) which when I took the seats out the do some repairs I found the foam and floor was waterlogged because of the split and I just couldn't get the foam to dry out so in the end I cut a section of the backing foam out and bought some new sound deadening from eBay then dried and waxoyled the floor pans and attached the new foam direct to the floor.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:54 PM

Bit of an update. Going to try and keep it short this time!

Car has being having very unnerving banging/jolting when driving >60mph. Last owner said it misfired a bit. Didn't really feel like a misfire but the spark plugs were due a change. So bought this lot:
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I splashed out and paid £35 for this spark plug lead removal tool. Kind of painful to spend so much on a tool for one job but bloody glad I did.
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Cheaper tools apparently bend and struggle to grip the base of the lead. Pliers bugger up the leads and can end up leaving bits stuck on that are a nightmare to remove.

Plug removal on the Smart requires the rear bumper removing.
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First car I've ever had that has required such a thing.

Bottom plugs weren't too bad. They're in between the crash beam and the main body Access was reasonable and the tool made it a doddle to remove the leads. Leads simple as the bottom of the coil packs was right there. There are 3 coil packs, each drive 2 plugs. 6 plugs in total for 3 cylinders.
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Top plugs were easy to get to, however replacing the leads was an absolute nightmare. Ended up having to remove the intake manifold and fuel rail to get decent access. Again I was super happy I splashed out and got a decent tool that didn't bend and flex.
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Made this useful tool up to hoover out all the crud down the plug wells. The top ones especially had a large amount of detritus fallen down there. Really didn't want it getting into the combustion chamber, as it's so small!
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Glad I changed the leads too. The tops had burn marks around the rubber boots, while the bottom ones had split marks in. I suspect due to previous people using pliers to remove them.
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Also took the time to clean the throttle body. Actually pretty hard to do as it's tiny! Toothbrush head for comparison:
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Total time for all 6 plugs and leads was 4 hours. Also one annoyed wife because I ended up turning up late to her friends house who was cooking dinner for us...
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:57 PM

Did it help though?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:01 PM

Unfortunately after all that the banging didn't go away. One thing I had noticed is the ABS kicked in at low speeds and the engine mounts were shot to pieces. When accelerating onto boost you could hear the engine smacking the mounts. :?

As per News 24 thread earlier, I took it into my local garage with 3 replacement engine mounts and 2 cheapo reluctor rings. Apparently a nightmare of a job replacing the mounts. Very glad I did not attempt it on my driveway. Rings were extremely tight too. Ended up paying £160 which tbh isn't too bad considering the agro saved for me.

Verdict? Well I went for a proper blast earlier at different speeds and no more banging. :D

I suspect some of it was the ABS ring expanding and the traction control kicking in. No wonder it didn't feel good at all when it did it.

Not had any more leaks since I Gummifledged it. It's throwing it down out there again do don't want to say for sure that I've fixed it completely just yet...

It's an utter hoot to blast around in too. I do think it needs a few more bhp though!
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:09 PM

nitrous kit?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:10 PM

Well 20bhp to 30bhp extra can be had by a £200 remap which is probably cheaper and safer than nitrous!
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:11 PM

Where is the fun in that?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:32 PM

I passed on on the m8 on Sunday when it was lashing down and it looked wetter inside than outside. I've No idea how they could see out of it .
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I estimate this car needs £3000 maybe £4000 spending on it to get it rite and when this is done it will be wotrth about £1500!!

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:45 PM

I know it won't stop the leaks but when I had mine and every other convertible with a fabric roof I paint them with fabsil as it stops the water penetrating the fabric and protects the roof from UV damage and stops bird shite getting Ingrained in the material

It's only £11 a litre and on a roadster you will have enough for a good couple of applications,
I've just done the new roof on my fathers E36 and it beads up treat and I did the roof on my Z3 a couple of years back and it's still beading nicely but you want the brush on one to really penetrate the material.
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Also another tip is don't ever put your roadster net sticker in the inside of your rear window as it will pull the heated window element off the inside of the window as its not Sandwiched inbetween the glass as I found out lol
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:49 PM

Thanks. I've got something in the garage from when we had the MX5. I think its Renovo stuff if I remember correctly. The top (and the whole car really) is in dire need of a good scrub to remove all the green crap off it and so it actually beads water off properly. Just waiting for a weekend that I'm both free and it's not chucking it down.
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Posted 21 March 2017 - 09:34 AM

I've heard good things about the gummy pledge stuff on detailing world. Never tried it mind

 

.... now then... there's a product for a 26yr old Toyota!!  8)

 

Boot & Door seals ahoy....

 

 

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 08:59 PM

Gah! ABS light came on, on the way back from work. Cycling the ignition cleared it but I really need to go see what code is stored. I'm going to guess that it's the new rear reluctor rings. Hopefully they're just slipping or something simple and need a bit of glue. :?
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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:14 PM

C1159 - Brake light switch, implausible signal (Intermittent)
Ok, I can handle that for a fault code. Mild panic over!
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