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#511 OFFLINE   Bfg

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 04:17 PM

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Ghostly, Thank you, duly noted ..although I can't find specific reference to the point of law you suggest.   B&W on the front may work, but I'll get around to sorting that after more pressing tasks.

 

^^ dollywobbler, Thanks  ..no they're spongy and will pump up so needs more bleeding. The handbrake feels like it's working better !  But I think I do have a 44m socket, which I bought by mistake because that's what I'd read the fan's nut was (.. but it wasn't).  so I'll put it on my task list because I really ought to check them anyway .

 

Rain stopped play for the last couple of days . .

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^ I'm not worried about going out in the wet, it's just that with the rain belting down and road spray I wouldn't have been able to assess anything ..so a test drive would have been a waste of time. I wouldn't have been able to differentiate oil leaks from dripping water,  and any roadside adjustments* needed would have been a real pita in the wet. 

 

But I did get to change the tyres for new (now tubeless), and thereafter touch up the wheels' paint and give them a coat of clear lacquer . .

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^ these all-season Maxxis are pretty square and chunky compared with the assortment of tyres previously fitted.

 

And the cutout rear wheel arches made all the difference when refitting them. Instead of having to raise the back end of the car two-foot in the air to get the wheels off - I jacked up under the swinging arm immediately behind the link rod's bracket.  In this position - the body lifted slightly as well as the wheel.  And with the wheel just 1/2" off the ground I can now just about get the wheel and tyre back in.   :-D  

 

However, the clearance wasn't quite enough and these tyres rubbed when the suspension bounced, so . .

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^ the cutout was extended another 1" back.

 

In the meantime, I'd adjusted the clutch cable, and also set the carb a little better for starting and a steady tick over (..just 1/2 turn on the air-screw makes so much difference).  I refitted the dashboard and then also the door / boot lid seals, dropped a mat of 6mm neoprene sheet in the back of the car (not fitted, it's just laid out) and done all sorts of other little finishing up jobs..   

 

So with a break in the weather today - I've been out in the car ..just for a drive . .

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Our little jaunt encompassed small country lanes & tiny villages, fast country lanes and a stretch of the A14 dual-carriageway, as well as maneuvering around town and several car parks.  I'm glad to report - the car feels very much better than it did the other day.  Better low engine speed feel and a clutch that worked, together with 28psi in compliant tyres (the best of the old tyres taken off was a Dunlop., date stamped either 1982 or 1992). 

 

Noise was noticeably less too with the seals in place, although the gearbox of course still sounds as if it's from a non-synchromesh truck.  It presently works fine but it does make some interesting noises. :shock:   That aside there's groaning from the suspension spring canisters, and then the rattly whir of the speedo drive cable ..an altogether 'audio interesting' experience. 

 

For this, really my first time out - I wound her up to 120kmh, which I gather is about 75mph ..and all was fine, stable and very comfortable. Acceleration, compared with modern traffic, was not at all embarrassing. :P

 

The gearbox noise either got quieter with speed or else was mostly lost in wind noise, which itself was really quite acceptable, not least considering I was driving into a pretty strong & gusty head wind and I still have no bottom door seals (along either sill).

 

I stopped in to fill her up, so that I can figure out the fuel consumption ..as the fuel gauge only reads the lower half. .

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^ as an indication of the diminutive width of the Ami  ..on the other pump is a new Nissan Micra.

 

The new tyres gripped & steered very nicely, and the brakes seemed to be getting a little better with use, so they possibly need bedding in for a hundred miles or so.  I'm not a heavy user of brakes, so with it being a lightweight car and new pads / shoes in each corner it'll possibly take even longer before they really bite.   Bleeding I will do very soon though.  No obvious oil leak - yet.,  but does she need a new throttle cable, as I've lubricated this one but still it's notchy when trying to gently / smoothly apply throttle. 

 

So there we go.. dozens of jobs on the list still to do yet - but finally ..she is a usable motor car ..and rather good fun to drive too ..without power 'anything' and finger tip steering.

 

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 07:31 PM

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"..she is a usable motor car ..and rather good fun to drive too"   At this point you'll all be joining me in a lighthearted celebration that everything 'what could possibly go wrong ?'  has  ..and subsequently has now been sorted out or done again.  Thank you ladies and gentlemen, truly a welcoming thought

 

..but there always seems to be a  'just one more thing'  . . .

 

 

I had not long ago finished writing the above post ..and then got changed for the evening and made myself a nice cup of tea - when I had a nagging feeling, or was it a subconscious thought ?   Either way.,  I went out to the garage to check on the car. 

 

Lo n' behold . .

 

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^ petrol dripping from the tank's rear seam  . .

 

"Hadn't it been checked before being repainted and refitted ?"  I thought to myself ...

 


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^ The larger Ami-super fuel tank (8.8 gallons) looking good (top / rear faces are being seen here).  This tank had a dent in it (reportedly happened in storage) ..which I hope was easily pulled out., and then repainted in what looks to be 2-pack primer.

 

"I didnt pull out dent on bottom of tank as there was welded - repair. I didn't want to stress welds and bolt. In this moment it is not leaking, I tested with nitro thinner.  But I recommend that you find better one later."

 

..Janez's comments (in red)

 

Like a tyre which is only flat on the bottom, this tank is absolutely fine as long as you don't fill it up.

 

 

..the string has broken on my yo yo. :-(


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:19 PM

That's really sad

And that micro looked like a focus at a quick glance!

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Posted 03 August 2017 - 09:55 PM

Good to see it out on the road though. It must be satisfying to drive it around with a purpose.
It's a shame about the tank but at least you've had a chance to do a little snagging.

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 08:50 AM

Looks like an excuse to drive and use all that fuel up quickly then worry about it later...

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 03:30 PM

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Thanks Guys..  I can't really express how upsetting this was, hitting me when my energies and self motivation were at a very despondent low, those picked up by a successful and fun first drive ..after so many months of trying to get this car roadworthy (which just goes to show how misleading an MOT can be !) ..to then be knocked down again.  :(

 

The gearbox being f 'ked I could cope with. That's just something which goes with the territory of buying an old car untested, but this ..for me at that moment was just one straw too many.

 

Such a downer did however mean I was so pissed off - I didn't go anywhere near the car yesterday.  Instead I cleaned the house, including down on knees scrubbing the kitchen floor tiles, and then I cut the grass (..more like 3 hours of harvesting, because the grass had grown way above the height of the mower's wheels, during weeks of wet weather). 

 

Anyway, having formulated a plan to fix (temporarily / for a few months) the leaky flange ..this afternoon I went out to the garage to try it.   Firstly though I cleaned up my garage floor.  The petrol leak had dissolved the bottom edge of the bitumastic anti-drum pad I'd stuck to the tank.. hence the black sticky mess.  Fortunately my siphoning the petrol from the tank that evening had prevented more from leaking. :)

 

I turned the car around so I had decent light through the open garage door to work with, as the next operation was to clean up the tank ..to see exactly where the leak was from and how extensive.?   At this point I suspected a spot weld in the tank's flange had cracked or pulled apart. .

 

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Clearly the leak had run forward along the flange ..which would account for there being two patches of drips on the garage floor . .

 

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^ a digital camera fits where my big head can't ..to look over the chassis rear outrigger to the tank's RH side flange running forward, stained with black bitumen. 

 

Trimming back the bitumen anti-drum pad 8-10mm, and cleaning up the flange across the back edge - revealed this . .

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^ no sign of a crack or leak.. :huh:  By chance (..or something) I had previously PU sealed this back edge flange to prevent moisture ingress and corrosion in the crevice. And that PU sealant was still intact.

 

But hang on.. things under a car can be misleading.  I had a thought.. and dropped the car off its jack to check.   Ah ha., now things are looking altogether brighter  :-D.    

 

With the car on the level ..that flange runs down toward the back of the car ..and not forward.  And this ties in with the nagging question - why is the petrol running along the top of the flange rather than running down under it ? 

 

Yes, I'm sure you gathered the GOOD NEWS is that this flange isn't leaking..  And as the dent and weld mentioned by Janez is under the tank - then it is not leaking from those either.  Although I now suspect I know the cause - I refilled the tank to check the fuel filler & breather pipes nor their connections were leaking..   

 

Correct they are not leaking..  And so my dear Dr. Watson - elementary deduction leads us to conclude the guilty party is . .

 

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^ fuel tank pick-up pipe and gauge sender unit being removed

 

"Gauge sender is broken and need to be changed with new..."

 

..Janez's comments (in red)

 

^ That photo is quite telling, insomuch as it shows two troughs, leading forward from the tank sender unit, which would drain any spilling fuel forward / above the tank's front flange, much of which would run all the way to the back (the lowest point of the flange) to drip off there !

 

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^ Now again with a refilled tank, the bitumen of the anti-drum just forward of the sender unit is all but washed away (pointed to by the small screwdriver).  

 

Relieved, but at the same time I'm sorry to yet again report Janez's incompetence in restoration / recommission. This was not in refitting a tank which leaked, but simply that he hadn't resealed or replaced the gasket after he'd removed the sender unit.  So., although when first noticed - this leak really got to me.. it was after all just a little thing ..of his not taking due care & attention to do the job safely. 

 

 

Otherwise, I am delighted  that I'll just have to drain the tank again, to replace or (temporarily at least) to properly re-seal that gasket .. altogether very glad in the knowledge that it is nothing more serious (needing welding, tank sealant, etc, ..or another fuel tank)  And that I hadn't pulled the tank off the car ..before working out what the problem was.   :mrgreen: 

 

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 07:44 PM

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^ definitely been leaking.

 

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^ I didn't have a gasket to fit the small size (36mm ID) of the fuel gauge sender unit, but I did have a new larger diameter one from the cap of a motorcycle tank, so I cut that down and glued it. Seen here sitting within a spray-can cap, just to help hold the round shape while the glue sets. 

 

As that was drying I set to resoldering this (Janez's repair) . .

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Now with the new cork gasket appropriately drilled, I confirmed its fit . .

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I checked the sender and gauge now work to the full range before reassembling, with the cork gasket set on silicon gasket goo (gluing the gasket to the sender unit only), using steel washers, a jubilee clip on the fuel pipe, and an o-ring around the outside (..to dissuade the cork from splitting outwards from the screw holes, which are very close to the cork's outside edge). .

 

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^ cleaned up all around - so that I might more easily check to if this new gasket will be successful, or whether I'll need to shop for some ethanol-petrol-proof rubber.

 

Hopefully that's another job re-DONE and dusted.

 

Have a good weekend

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 07:53 PM

Yeah, ok. That's quite shonky. A very common issue though. When I took part in the 2CV 24hr race as pit crew a couple of years ago, we discovered our tank leaked from the sender when the tank was full. We discovered this when we filled the tank for the first time just before scrutineering... it was a very hasty drop and repair! A good chance for the team to bed in working together at least...


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Posted 10 August 2017 - 10:41 AM

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Sunroof  - Wanted 

 

Anyone got a glass sunroof, in decent nick, they don't want.. cheapish  ..to fit my little Shitroen Ami ?  ..that they can package up and get sent to Suffolk.?

 

The roof is surprisingly flat, as can be seen in the photo below

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^ showing a 24" (605mm) straight edge resting on the roof.  The vertical height, from each end, down to the tin roof is approx 1/2" (13mm).

 

A simple glazed flip up, lift out will be fine.  If poss' I would like one with a sun shade of some kind... and the trim to go inside against the headlining ?

 

Many thanks

 

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 02:12 PM

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232439284003

I thought I'd find loads but this seems to be the only one on eBay, I don't know if it's any good to you.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 01:32 PM

Just caught up with this thread Peter and the car's looking great, as it should with all the hard work you've put in over the months. Not sure if it's been mentioned, but use veggie oil to stop the groaning from the springs - if you've got rubber doughnuts at either end of the cans - (rotating them helps in serious cases of donkey noises).

All updates as to how its running much enjoyed by me - and no doubt many others on here - how're you coping with the noise and have you ventured on longer trips, for example?

I was always surprised by how well my 602 saloon would slip through the air - flat out it could maintain a steady 83-86mph on the level in still air (the engine was a belter), according to satnav. Given you've a decent grounding in aerodynamics reading your post in another thread (...didn't know existed one I think) what are your thoughts regarding the airflow past these ancient beasties?

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 09:44 PM

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Thanks fdb

 

The car could very much do with a paint job - to be just one colour, but with having spent my money on Hemple's new formula 2-pack  ..which was a disaster, and my now having no money - it'll just have to go without.

 

Thanks I'll try veg oil at some time.  No rubber donuts on the Ami-S, just big aluminium cones. But I can pull back the rubber gaiters (where the tie rods come out) to squirt oil into the cans.  I presume I'll need to release all the load off the springs and loosen the can's nuts to turn them - so as to get the oil all around their insides ?  What quantity might you recommend in each ?

 

" how are you coping with the noise and have you ventured on longer trips ? "  Nope, sorry to report that after taking the car to the local Lakeside cafe six weeks ago, it came back here & sat out in the rain for a couple of weeks while I used the garage to sort out bike bits ..to put for sale on ebay.  Thereafter I put the car in the garage, did the fuel tank gasket, and it hasn't turned a wheel since.  

 

After working six-day-weeks for 8 months and life seemingly kicking me in the bollocks at every turn ..I guess I'm just burnt out.  I bought what I hoped would be an inexpensive and simple little Citroen to enjoy ..back in November 2015, and unwittingly it then took 20 months before it was roadworthy ..but still unpainted, untrimmed, and crying out for gearbox rebuild.  Bottom line : The moment has long since passed and its cost is four times what I wanted to spend.  It was a huge mistake.

 

Subsequently I've needed to sell bike-stuff on ebay, not least because September is when my car and bike insurance bills come in, followed soon thereafter by the MOT on the Chrysler (which may be terminal this year). I've also an inexplicable desire to buy some heating oil.  Ebay is for me utterly depressing ..and yet I need to sell up.  In the meantime I dare not consider anything remotely creative / another project (..which as a design-engineer drives & defines me), so I have no motivation to do anything.  I drag myself out by the scruff of the neck to roll in fibreglass dust and apply more stickiness ..in an attempt to build a 200ltr water tank into the bottom of the boat.  And when that's done I have another to do under its sole boards. 

 

As soon as the (sold) project Sunbeam m/c is eventually paid for & picked up - I'll move the car out of the garage so I can get to the work-bench.  I plan to keep pushing myself through boat and bike jobs through the winter months, and by next springtime I hope to have found renewed-enthusiasm for the Ami-S.  If not then I'll just have to cut my losses and be rid of it.  In my present mindset - it's not a potentially great fun 1970's Autoshite Q-car ..its just another bill and another lump always in the way.

 

re. aerodynamics ..further thanks. In that post I was replying to a specific enquiry pertaining to drag.  But I did let my mind wander when I bought this car < here >. 

 

My sincere apologies for a gloomy answer.  Unfortunately I go through these phases this sort of time each year.  I just need to achieve something and that will pucker me up again.  ;)

 

Bfg.

 

p.s. for anyone prone to demotivation < here's > an interesting perspective, albeit written by an American. 

 

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:47 PM

take a break and go back to the ami when your better minded.


END of the road for the  MONTURDO !! :-(  :-(  :-(  

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 10:49 PM

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yep, that's the plan.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:13 AM

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I bought what I hoped would be an inexpensive and simple little Citroen to enjoy ..back in November 2015, and unwittingly it then took 20 months before it was roadworthy ..but still unpainted, untrimmed, and crying out for gearbox rebuild.  Bottom line : The moment has long since passed and its cost is four times what I wanted to spend.  It was a huge mistake.

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This is basically exactly the same story as mine. Then I had all the bugs to iron out - and there were a lot of them.

 

If you can put the car away for a bit and come back to it later, this is what I'd recommend too. Once the frustration wears off you soon forget all the bad bits and you can concentrate on enjoying the car. I'm racking up hundreds of miles a month on mine now and it's good as gold.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 02:05 PM

Maybe hunker down for the winter and return to it as and when the mojo returns? Trying to return a dishevelled old car to prime condition both mechanically and cosmetically isn't something to take on lightly, I think you've worked wonders, fwiw. The suspension cans should rotate with the load off them, no need to slacken the fittings.

Quarter of a litre of rapeseed oil should be enough for both sides, inject a little (warmed up makes the job quicker) at each end then work the suspension. Bad cases can take a couple of days driving to take effect, sometimes a bit more is needed.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 01:24 PM

..Quarter of a litre of rapeseed oil should be enough for both sides, inject a little (warmed up makes the job quicker) at each end then work the suspension. Bad cases can take a couple of days driving to take effect, sometimes a bit more is needed.

 

Any reason not to use engine or gearbox oil.  Maybe use up lightly-used synthetic oil I have from a motorcycle ? 


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 01:28 PM

Any reason not to use engine or gearbox oil.  Maybe use up lightly-used synthetic oil I have from a motorcycle ? 

 

Yes, mineral oil should be avoided. I don't believe it's good for whatever is in the cans. You don't need to release the suspension load to turn the cans. Just jack it up.


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:18 PM

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Ami update..

 

Thanks to FDB's timely comment and to others above who offer encouragement, plus my co-incidentally taking note of a website which wrote about demotivation ..which I passed on to depressed shiters < here >  ..I started thinking 'Ami' again.  I realised that if I don't touch the car until next springtime - then I'll be faced with all the outstanding issues ..and so will not get the point of enjoying the car.  So I decided to start picking at the jobs (..with no pressure to get things done) and see how I get on. 

 

The first job then was to change the clear fuel pipes I'd fitted. This old-stock fuel pipe softened too much, presumably it's dissolving in the ethanol now added. . 

 

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So I went on-line and bought some fuel pipe from the world of off-road motorcycles. I reasoned : as these bike were used in competition then their fuel pipes would subject to scrutineering.  The pipe I bought is very soft and flexible but thick walled, and after a three week trial in a jar of petrol - the piece discoloured to a yellow-green colour, but appeared not to be breaking break down any further.  So I've now fitted that. .

 

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^ Because it's so soft - it doesn't give a sense of reassurance nor longevity, so I'll keep an eye on it.

 

 

My next job was the driver's door window which decided not to work .  The lifting-roller pad had again become detached from the glass. I had tried to glue this back on with number plate sticky pads, but despite lubricating the mechanism - that only lasted two weeks.  So I cleaned the glue pads off,  used sand paper to key the glass, and am now trying Araldite . .

 

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^ wood pads seen here are temporary wedges (from both sides) holding the window winder lifting-roller pad in place as the Araldite cures.

 

I used the car last Sunday, just for a drive across to Melton, upstream from Woodbridge ..photos of the river < here >.  I have yet to get used to LHD shitroen handling, and its pretty awful (for me) ergonomics, but was more concerned about the gearbox & a cacophony of other noises.   But the window winder is working fine. :)

 

While walking back to the car an elderly chap stopped to have a chat. He didn't remember seeing such a car.

 

This week, after tiring myself out with aerobic contortions on the old boat < here > I took a day out to make enquiries for an Ami-super gearbox.  Fundamentally it's Citroen GS 1220 gearbox but the main-shaft is much shorter for the Ami's short bell-housing.  ie. it is again a unique item and about as common as unicorn teeth.  

 

It'll need to be done sometime, so I need to start looking now.  I've one possibility through the 2cvGB club, but that's not available for a couple of months at least ..and then not certain.  So I've posted help / wanted on various websites and have dropped an email to a few suppliers.    

 

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:26 PM

Any reason not to use engine or gearbox oil.  Maybe use up lightly-used synthetic oil I have from a motorcycle ? 


Castor oil is what's recommended, rapeseed oil is a fair alternative. Just don't use too much as even a non-drying oil like this polymerises eventually. If someone has oiled the cans before, then the additive package in mineral line oils can react with plant oil.

Deep memory suggests it's the material which helps locate the springs which doesn't appreciate engine oil, can't remember why or whether it is this for sure. For most A-series owners, the problem is oil softening the rubber end springs.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:29 PM

Fuel pipe - correct ID is 5.5mm, not 6. Use the correct Gates stuff and you don't even need hose clips so the pipe ends don't deteriorate. It lasts longer, by a helluva margin, than any other I've tried.

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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:36 PM

Castor oil is what's recommended, rapeseed oil is a fair alternative. Just don't use too much as even a non-drying oil like this polymerises eventually. If someone has oiled the cans before, then the additive package in mineral line oils can react with plant oil.

Deep memory suggests it's the material which helps locate the springs which doesn't appreciate engine oil, can't remember why or whether it is this for sure. For most A-series owners, the problem is oil softening the rubber end springs.

 

Thanks again, Likewise I have recollection of mineral oil being the cause of softening the rubber buffers used on the smaller A-series.  The Super doesn't have those rubbers ..its suspension cans are fixed / do not move.   Nevertheless I'll buy some castor oil and do as you recommend.   

 

I'll not even suggest that 'it strikes me as dumb - that these weren't done when the cans were refitted to the chassis' .

Fok, I said I'll not even suggest :mrgreen: 

 

p.s. Is that Gate's pipe clear / see through ?


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Posted 01 October 2017 - 02:55 PM

Gates hose is black, all the clear hose I've ever tried for fuel line has softened or hardened prematurely. Which isn't to say 5.5mm clear fuel hose which lasts and lasts doesn't exist, I've just never looked.

The cars are so bloody reliable when done correctly that I've always stuck to what the manufacturer used at the factory, or as close as. I hate having bonnets up because of probs, whatever the car. It's one of the virtues of these machines, their huge simplicity and ability to cover tens of thousands of miles even when 25 years old with nothing more than routine servicing. Having said that, I've seen people who thought they could do better than original, only for the far to become a proper noose round their necks with one problem after another.
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Posted 01 October 2017 - 03:26 PM

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Yesterday I tackled the driver's seat. 

 

One of the things about small cars is that they should be convenient to slip into and pop around to the shops and be easy to park, and then easy to get out of again.  This seat doesn't allow one to easily slip into it - the very thin and soft outer fabric drags too much, and then this particular seat's shape has high frame tubes on either side (good for lateral support) with a sprung pad dangling inbetween those.  For an old giffer like me (6'5" tall and 230 lb) I sink a long way into that seat.  The question then was : what might I do with it.?  I've already spoken to a trimmer and got an estimate for new covers, but there's no point in doing that if the seat's shape doesn't fit me. 

 

So. .

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I might add that this isn't the original seat. It's one I bought off Gary Dick's and was apparently from a RHD car, so a passenger seat.  Thing is that the seat back is adjustable on this, whereas on my car they are fixed .  Never-the-less its wear is typical to each seat.  And that is caused by the rubber straps and their steel clips cutting their way through the foam cushion.  

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As that foam was irreparable, I sought to replace it, courtesy of off-cuts of latex I'd bought for the boat's mattress. But I'd need to reuse the original front bolster. .

 

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^ the brown-grey is not a top layer of different foam, it's dirt !

 

Below.., the new seat pad being glued to the original front roll bolster.  A screw in the edge of the bench and a block held it in light compression as the glue dried. .

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^ yes it's twice as thick as before. but I wanted the cushion to sit higher, relative to the seat's frame. 

 

And to hold it all together a little better . .

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^ this cloth is crap useless as a workshop rags, but when used like a stocking, it acts as a stretchy cover to helps keep things all together . .

 

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^ double layer of stocking, stapled along the sides to hold its position

 

which when refitted into the seat frame and cover . .

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^ you'll note that I used denim (from the leg of jeans) either side - to protect the new foam from being cut into by the rubber springs and their hooks.

 

Job done . .

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^ the eagle eyed might spot that I've added x3 more rubber's down either side ..to help accommodate my sprung mass.  The holes were already there in the frame tubes.

 

 

I drove the car around to the chippy and it is very much better. The thin nylon fabric is still not easy to slide across when getting in or swing out of ..so I'll know not to use that when I recover the seats, but first impression (driving around town and down the farm track) is that sitting higher and slightly firmer offers a better driver's feel with the car. 

 

And because the seat had worn down more on one side, and the new cushion is now level, it avoids the twist in one's back.  Definitely a marked improvement.

 

In due course I'll buy new rubber springs, as half  the originals are perished or otherwise stretched.  I suspect that these might be cheaper to buy from camping supplier than Citroen types.?   

 

That's it for this week.

 

Wishing y'all a pleasant Sunday evening. ;)

 

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Posted 11 November 2017 - 07:55 PM

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Greetings

 

..it's been some five or more weeks since I last posted, and that's because I've not been working on the car nor using it, as I got on with building a water tank into my old boat. I was also back n' forthin to get the Chrysler through an MOT.  In the meantime I've asked around to see if anyone has a gearbox they want to sell. I've not heard much save one chap who wants £350 for one that's an unknown, and another contact who has one but isn't in a position to dig it out yet.  I know that the latter's not been touched for 30 years, but what do they like to say.. "it ran when parked" :)  (.. how well is another matter !). 

 

Whatever I manage to buy - it will be a lottery ..and I never did win a £-million. :unsure:  Anyway, the question has also been asked of the 2cvGB fraternity, courtesy of the Ami Registrar in this month's club magazine.  

 

I did buy a new throttle cable for the car, one from a LHD Ami 8, which surely wouldn't be that much different. It had the right fittings but was 15" (!) too short.  Weird but that's the way it goes eh !?  I sent it back and asked Roy at ECAS to send me a couple of H4 headlamp bulbs in lieu of a refund, but that was a month ago and nothing arrived ..so it's time for me to chase him up.

 

I've also bought 1/2 ltr of castor oil (as recommended by forddeliveryboy - Thank you) to use inside the groaning suspension's spring canisters.   Later this afternoon I thought it time to do the job.  I'll not say much more here because I'm not a happy mechanic and amazingly* the canister didn't want to rotate when the wheels were off the ground ..nor when the tie rods were undone.  It needed undoing - which is a 49mm x 6mm wide nut, tucked into a space that is as tight as a . . . (I'll let you finish that sentence !).  

 

Even though I'd had to remove the rear damper, I couldn't get clear access into the back of the canister, so I decided having got that far - I'd take it completely off and do the job properly. Here's some piccies of progress so far . .

 

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Feeling around inside - the springs were black & clammy ..like old engine oil had dried out.

 

That's it for tonight ..in bits. I decided to pack it in at 7:30 as my butt was freezing and I'm a hungry grumpy old git. :angry:  

 

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