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#331 OFFLINE   Bfg

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 03:06 PM

^ interesting re wheel spin and steering lock - Thanks. The Ami-S adds an extra metre of turning circle over the Ami-8 ..so lock may  be an issue.   Wheel-spin is probably not such an issue with the car's additional frontal weight. Having said that ..as you saw from the video when I had the car first running, wheel-spin was easy enough even on a good dry surface. Definitely food for thought. ;)


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 05:02 PM

I have often tried tyres the next size or two wider and I have never found the change to cause steering to be heavier. In fact on two cars exactly the opposite was true. (Maestro and BMW 518) No power assistance on any of the cars I am thinking of.

I don't recall what size my Ami Super's tyres were but there was an issue with tyres rubbing, on the suspension arms I think; needed the lock-stops adjusting.
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 07:05 PM

^ did you find the Ami-S steering lock a little annoying at times, or was it not an issue ?


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:41 PM

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9th February already ! ..can't believe these weeks have gone so quickly..

 

Those few days I've been in the garage have been spent working on the rear wing.  I'll show you slow progress by way of piccies.

 

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^ object of the exercise was to protect & colour the underside of the wheelarches with a hand-brushed coat of paint  ..but I've gotten sorta distracted insomuch as I'm moved across to grp (rust free) rear wings with cutout arches. (..the steel rear wings were not in good shape, so would have taken a lot of renovation* so I'm not spending that much more time than I would have done anyway). ;)

 

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^ checking the fitment of the rear light unit. The grp panel needed a little trimming to get the lamp to fit neatly ..so I assume the last owner musta trimmed the lamp body to fit the wing ! :roll:

 

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^ one of the things with economic* replacement panels is that often their quality is crap. :cry: With grp panels that's evident as air bubbles between the gel-coat and the grp.  These blisters have an annoying habit of cracking out ..after you've painted the damn thing, so it's a safer bet to dig out the holes in advance.  Just pick (hard tap) at the raised / outside edges with a pointy thing ..like a Stanley-knife blade, and when it goes through - then open up the voids so that they can be filled at the same time as preparing the panel for paint. 

 

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^ this panel's shape had flatten out over the wheelarch (even before I cut the bottom flange off :P ) ..in fact it needs about another 1/4" bow to the line.  I'll not use body filler for anything more than 1/16" or so, so I decided to bond in a support batten on the inside to restore the correct shape (like the original steel panel has running parallel to its bottom edge).  Unfortunately some moron had black bitumastic under-sealed this wing (which of course nothing will glue to)  ..as if it were going to go rusty ! ..or anyone was going to look under there !  ...I loathe that stuff  :evil:

 

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a bow (curved batten) glued in place with glassfibre paste. The bow is something I found in the boat yard dumpster (from a boat's berth) which happened to be the right sorta size and a nice curvature. The weights and clamp are to bring this to the depth of curvature I wanted.  Only later on this week will I find out if I got it right ! :shock:

 

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I had reshaped the top return flange (where the wing attaches to the body shell) and found it to be a better fit than the original panels. 8)  ..and now it's just a little better still.  But the front (door shut) return was both ugly (see 4th photo) and too shallow, the attachment tab was broken, and again the depth of the panel was slightly too flat a shapeHere I'm using blue masking tape in place of a mould..  :mrgreen:

 

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^ with the bow's fibreglass paste cured - enough to hold shape, I added a couple of layers of grp mat over it.  This will be stronger and ensure that it's rigid, and it'll help keep the moisture out. The thin batten seen here is lightly clipped and weighted down along the arch's cutout to avoid air bubbles.  The bricks (just heavy weights) are holding the forward door shut a slightly deeper shape as the new deeper return cures overnight.

 

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^ And finally the front door shut grp extended inwards..  It was something like 8-10mm (very similar to the original steel panel) but now it's 25-30mm.

 

Tomorrow I'll trim the edges and see if I got the various revised shapes right.. If so then I'll mount the panel on the car to fill and fair.

 

 

Btw.. if this sort of post is just sooooo.... boring., just tell me and I'll shut up.. otherwise I hope it'll be of interest to anyone else thinking of working with grp panels on their car.. ;)  :)

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 06:53 PM

^ did you find the Ami-S steering lock a little annoying at times, or was it not an issue ?


Don't remember anything about that all!

And no, posts of actual shite car owners doing actual class work on them is never boring.
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Posted 10 February 2017 - 06:50 PM

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..much stiffer & not even bolted in place, but already ..that's better  :)

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as is the deeper door shut. You can see how shallow it was before..

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with a bit a bondo slap n' tickle - she'll be looking pretty  :mrgreen: 

 

 

..now I mighta mentioned before that I don't like black rubber overriders, and so as previously threatened.. I sought to revise (visually lighten) its frontal styling..  \/

 

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^ Sadly no number yet ..because the DVLA rejected the application on grounds that they couldn't read the original log book where it says  Anno di Produzione : 1974.   I don't recall., did Britain ever join the EU ..or was that just a strange dream ? :lol:

 

..oh yeah - the repainted wheels are now refitted ..and looking good (imo) !


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 07:27 PM

Very familiar bumper arrangement

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 07:39 PM

^ not seen that beforehand but thanks. That's Pete Sparrows former Ami / Alfa on the left isn't it - which subsequently went abroad ..and then scrapped ?  I don't know the green 'un but nice to see RHD cars. Is the green one still on UK roads ? Both look to be lowered ..just a little ! 8)  


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 09:29 AM

I'm following this with interest as I have a soft spot for these awful looking cars. A friend of mine was given an Ami Super about thirty years ago, the car was in the Midlands but was not charging so she took spare batteries to make sure it didn't run out of electricity on the way back to Barry in South Wales, it did get fixed and was used for a while before it sadly succumbed to rust.
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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:10 PM

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...and here is one I did earlier :-D  (..not really ..but it's an Ami Super break (estate)  for sale in France) ;-)

 

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I quote " I put on sale my Citroën Ami 8 of 6 horses for health reasons.
Lovers of vintage cars, this Ami 8 has been part of my collection for a few years. I therefore regret it and hope to find a serious and passionate buyer.

This vehicle is very healthy and has undergone a complete restoration. The floors are original and no trace of rust is to be deplored on the vehicle.
She sleeps in the garage, the painting has been completely redone with the original hue. It has 5 new tires, the seats and the bench are also new. The engine is also new and totals 6000 kms (with invoice).
I say that the Ami 8 has never been accident, I own the gray card in my name (French). It is a very healthy vehicle for lovers and enthusiasts of vintage French cars.

The car starts in a quarter turn, only small flat: it seems that there is a slight leak on the exhaust in a few days.

I specify that I have a few extra parts, including a second engine.

The price is 9000 € to discuss in front of the car.
Please do not call me if you are really interested. "   

uh ? something amiss with the translation me thinks !

 

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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:16 PM

I don't like the chapron bonnet adornment. They almost work on Ds. I've also seen one on a cx that looked crap.
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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:19 PM

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The price is 9000 € to discuss in front of the car.
Please do not call me if you are really interested. "   

uh ? something wrong with the translation I'm thinking

Yes, it also translates as "Please do not call me unless you are really interested".


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 06:43 PM

I don't like the chapron bonnet adornment. They almost work on Ds. I've also seen one on a cx that looked crap.

 

it looks like a ruddy tea pot handle to me :wacko:

 

..or a rather limp phallic something ! :lol:


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Posted 12 February 2017 - 08:48 AM

^ not seen that but thanks. That's Pete Sparrows former Ami / Alfa on the left isn't it - which subsequently went abroad ..and then scrapped ? I don't know the green 'un but nice to see RHD cars. Is the green one still on UK roads ? Both look to be lowered ..just a little ! 8)


Geoff Archer's on the left I think. The green van is Sparrows. A few pals have owned the green van. Last I heard, it was being restored, though I think the owner was trying to find a new body for it...

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:39 PM

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..not much to report hereabouts, I've had a few days off.   But this rear wing is also taking longer to fair than I'd hoped. That's two long afternoons work now - trying to get the shape close.  Try as I might, I have to admit that good quality and fast bodywork is a craft skill that takes a lot of practice ..which I've not had ! :blink:

 

hey ho ..I had hoped it to be in primer by this evening but It's not ready yet  :cry:   All being well I'll get there tomorrow.  ^_^ 

 

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^  Today I added a fill-in piece along the top-inside edge to get rid of the ugly tapered gap between panel & body (that was actually much worse with the original steel panel).  The shadows are not perfect but then again not too bad either.. for a Shitroen :P

 

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^ At least I now don't have that unsightly join line, just forward of the rear light, which you can see in the original steel panel on the floor.  

 

..working (filling / sanding) against different colour backgrounds is not easy to see the lines clearly. I've redefined the edges as hard edges to sight along, and I think when these are softened (hand sanded) then I'm probably close enough to finish up and primer - so that I can better see where a little more work is needed.  However, I'm also aware that it's time already to get on with the other panels.  :wacko:


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:40 AM

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Those that dare ... WINNA  :P

 

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oddly, they have not completed the vehicle 'model'.., so presumably on DVLA record / database search this car will not be included in the number of Ami-Supers registered or on SORN. ? 

 

.. and despite my specifically asking for it (as part of the vehicle's history), the DVLA have not returned the Slovene registration document.  I expected them to cancel it., but to not return it I think is miserable of them.  :(

 

Having no specific date of build in 1974, they've used 01-01-74 which gives me an M plate (historic Tax class).  I'm happy with that, even though the car was first registered on 27th July '76.  Clearly this model was not a fast seller in Yugoslavia.  :D

 

The registration VMR doesn't lead to an obvious naming of this particular Yugoslavian Cimos-Shitroen Ami-Super ! ? 

...unless you guys have a better suggestion :shock: - I'll stick to 'Sami'


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:52 AM

Geoff Archer's on the left I think. The green van is Sparrows. A few pals have owned the green van. Last I heard, it was being restored, though I think the owner was trying to find a new body for it...


The Alfa Ami was Pete's at the time of the SM magazine article. Later owned by Geoff. The green van was Alex Pearce's. The van now resides with a specialist in Gloucestershire. Well, what's left of it. The body was cut up. They also own perhaps the last RHD Ami Super Service. Shame it's being stored in a compound exposed to the elements, minus a side window.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:08 AM

The Alfa Ami was Pete's at the time of the SM magazine article. Later owned by Geoff. The green van was Alex Pearce's. The van now resides with a specialist in Gloucestershire. Well, what's left of it. The body was cut up. They also own perhaps the last RHD Ami Super Service. Shame it's being stored in a compound exposed to the elements, minus a side window.

 

Thanks 'Tops.. Pete's car changed colour a number of times, seemingly according to which engine was fitted at that time, but I'm not sure which variant was the last with the Alfa Sud engine in it.   

 

Is/was the green van not then a 'Service' ?   I would have liked one of those. Two door and the very long rear wings is clean.  Any idea how many were built.?   Actually what I'd like to do is to convert my Berline to 2-door and to have a lifting hatchback/tailgate. Then it would so much more practical ..and even better looking :mrgreen:

 

"Shame it's being stored in a compound exposed to the elements, minus a side window."  is a generous observation when one considers how prices have escalated., and how so few have survived the fate of dissolving where they stood.!  :cry: 

 

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:22 PM

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for Old Shiteroenian's contemplation and delectation..

 

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^ not fastened ..just resting in place, in hand brushed primer ..which didn't flow at all well

(I don't like this Jotun epoxy-primer, Hempel is much better in my experience)

 

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^ lower relief highlight looks a little too high in these photos.

 

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^ There's no rear seat or any weight in the back right now, and being parked on an incline doesn't help either..  At some point in the near future I plan to lower the ride height just 1" front and 11/2 - 2" rear ..it's only a small amount but I'm sure it will look better.  ..But all in all I'm happy with the more balanced wheel-arch look, so I'll do the other side to match (and leave the steel panels as original).

 

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:50 PM

The refurbished wing looks very neat.  Will lowering the suspension cause it to run out of travel if you take an extra bag of Werthers on board?  I remember that my 2cv6 and Dyane used to sink so much when carrying 4 people and luggage that the first passenger had to climb in and the last simply fell in.  No doubt you saw the ebay Ami with air suspension for that 'slammed' look.  Daft though it was, I would love to know how they engineered the mod, assuming that 'engineered' is not too strong a term for slammers.  



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 05:44 PM

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Thank you both ;)

 

The Ami & Ami-Super suspension springs are stiffer than either the 2cv or Dyane, so I don't think bottoming out will be a problem. And I'm not planning on carrying a family + luggage, perhaps two persons & camping gear (without the back seat in). Famous last words I know ! :-D

 

Yes, I saw that slammed look.  Citroen's M35 had, as I understand it, GS-type pneumatic suspension and so photos of that often show it crouched.  Too far down for my old back when climbing in I fear.!  Getting into the super is already bad enough for someone of my size.  I think I'll need to level the seat to slide across more easily, presently the outside tubular seat frame threatens a wedgie every time I get in  :shock:

   

The style* I'm going for is a combination of being a little more practical to live with, and generally to balance the visual weights of the car, ie., "looks factory., but Citroen didn't do that ?"   So, nothing extreme ..but rather in keeping with it being a Q car (..it looks like an Ami-8 but goes surprisingly* well ). :mrgreen:

 

..Talking about style..

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(gaffer tape stuck to my face is the best way I've yet found to stop my glasses from keep steaming up when I'm sanding the fibreglass !)


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 06:12 PM

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Bollocks.. If only I had done this wing first.. I wouldn't have bothered !

 

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^ crap quality doesn't even start to describe this panel.

 

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^ crazed and cracked right through numerous layers of paint (x6 layers), filler (x2 layers), and through the gelcoat itself.

 

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^ All surface gelcoat removed, cut back to the glass fibres.  This will take some time restore*.  The lighter cream colour patches are bare fibreglass (without gelcoat now).  The black ripples (like a wet sandy beach) is what's left of the gelcoat.

 

Bottom line being that the panel should have been scrapped, but seeing as that the only one I have, and the fact that I've just done the work on the LHS.. it had to be sanded back to the glass fibres (ie., most of the gelcoat had to be ground off..)  :ssch00101:

It had looked much the same as the LH rear wings, except that rather than undoing three screws it was as if someone had ripped the fuel filler pipe out.  But underneath the thick layer of paint (with crazing) was  badly crazed gelcoat, that someone had tried to bury under a mass of filler and several thick paint layers.  This was not crazed by stress, but because the gelcoat hadn't gone off before fibreglass was applied (..perhaps someone forgot to add catalyst ) causing it to shrink and ripple..   

 

I will now have to stabilise the surface before rebuilding the finished surface, otherwise whatever paint I put on there will likewise craze.  

 

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:49 PM

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. . just needs tweaking ..

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^ ..you can see, even before I cut the 'arch' out, how flat the panel is besides the wheel.. it looks almost concave from this angle. :?  .,and this shows as an angle between the rear door and the panel.  The top front corner of this panel doesn't match very well either.!  :huh: 

 

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..pretty white work-bench Pete !  :-D  (..waste not, want not ..left over epoxy primer at the time I repainted the LHS wing).  oh yes, when laid on the flat bench the wheelarch cutout was in fact concave (bowed in) !

 

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^ the mid-panel relief is supposed to be a little convex, this one had shrunk to be a little concave (it's probably 1/4 - 3/8" out of shape), which would suggest that the fibreglasser had noted his mistake (not adding catalyst to the gel) and so added it instead to the fibreglass layers - which caused a really hot mix - that in turn shrinks much more (thus causing the distortion in shape).  

 

In my attempt to rectify the situation, : I've applied fresh GRP to both sides of the panel's relief, and rebuilt the inner flange. These will cure under the weight of a row of six paving bricks + a trolley jack + tensioning cord.  I hoping this will restore the convex shape.. but it's just so hit n' miss to know how much pre-bend need be set ..and what will spring back when the weights are removed. 

 

I'll have to wait until Monday to find out if I got it near right ..or have gone way too far !  :wacko: 

 

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:11 PM

Looking good. Yes, the green van of Alex Pearce was a Super Service. Think it was originally saved by Richard Reynolds of Aust, near Bristol in or around 1988. Later passed to the Sobey's who in turn passed it to Alex, perhaps via Pete. Certainly a well known van within the club. Such a shame it ended up as a bunch of cuts/panels. It deserved so much more. As regards RHD production figures; I reckon somewhere in the double figures...
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:30 PM

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^ convex shape restored

 

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^ From trial fit it was obvious that I've over-did the depth in the panel, so here I've cut the inner web to adjust that in different places ..and I'm now probably close enough to make it work.  

 

The next task was to add the bow (as before) to fill out the longitudinal flattening (over the wheel).  \/

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^ the top attachment flange has also been given a couple of layers of glass fibre (this panel had been ripped off the car and all but one of the bolts was loose and twisted. And where the fuel filler had been torn out has now been rebuilt.

 

Although more time consuming, it is in my view it's better to try and achieve a decent shape / lines through reshaping ..rather than just to slap more and more filler on it.  So while the second (RHS) panel was curing I went back to the first (LHS) and sanded it down.  

 

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I've come to the realization that if I'm to get this car done (this year) and also get my (would-be liveaboard) boat back in the water (also this year), and to rebuild a couple of engines so that I might sell couple of bikes (this year) ..and generally to move on with life - then I'm going to have to pay someone to repaint this car for me.  Can anyone recommend someone who does a decent yet affordable paint job in East Anglia ?  please ;)


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:09 PM

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Trimmed the feathered edges of yesterday's grp, recut the fuel filler hole, and re-drilled/refitted the top flange's four mounting studs. But otherwise I've been fighting today to try and get each of the various planes of the door shut to sit 'close enough'.  The end of day photo (below) shows the (light and runny) skim of filler used to fill the pinholes (from poor laminating and now no gelcoat), to give a more even colouring and to highlight the relief's edges.  But the upper flange isn't tough enough to hold the top front corner in tight, so tomorrow I'll add a reinforcement web (to hold that more securely). 

 

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^ thankfully the shadow (deliberate from the camera's flash - seen on the floor) shows the bow is now holding the wheelarch to a much nicer line, to blend in with the doors.  As with the left-hand-side, this is better than I managed with the original steel panels.  Darn.. it looks almost deliberate ! :mrgreen:

 

but with all this physical work ..I'm dog tired :tired:  ..and it's only Monday !

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 07:52 PM

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 so tomorrow I'll add a reinforcement web (to hold that more securely)


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Can't you just leave the 4 by 2 in place?

 

Great work, Bfg, it's looking really good.

 

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Your clearly thick....end of.


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:07 PM

Your doing really well Peter, hopefully I'll see it at some point on the road over the summer?
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Posted 22 February 2017 - 09:00 AM

Can't you just leave the 4 by 2 in place?

 

It's surely an idea worthy of consideration., but the other end is against the garage wall, and I don't know how the Building Reg's tie in with the MOT ?  For example, I'd be anxious about getting an MOT advisory for the garage door lock not being EC / CE approved for highways.   ..Fortunately, the timber itself  is over 300mm from chassis, suspension, or seat belt mounting ..and it's a detached garage - so I might get away with it.   :mrgreen:  

 

..And a special big thanks to you guys & gals for your comments and likes..  It does help encourage all of the workforce (me) after I've faced dust and dimensional deviation all day !

 

"hopefully I'll see it at some point on the road over the summer?"  That's the plan  ..to use it and hopefully to join you all retro's at your waterside soiree some beautiful summer evening (..unless some kind soul comes and buys the car off me in the meantime ). ;)


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