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#1261 ONLINE   snagglepuss

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 11:12 AM

Mgf provisionally sold.
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Posted 20 August 2018 - 11:21 AM

fuxstix....... it's gone - before I got here - it's available again and gone again while I catch up on the grumble thread...... 

which now needs updating as I missed this - twice in 24hrs!


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 11:38 AM

Sorry but should be collected on Wednesday.
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Posted 20 August 2018 - 01:10 PM

Squeezed in a couple of Rover jobs today without screwing things up.

First up I dropped off the camshaft housing to a local metal fabricators. They make industrial stuff but we're happy to have a go at this.

You can see the crack here
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They should be able to grind it open a little and then weld it up. I will need to clean up the camshaft face so that it can run smoothly.

Next job was to flush the engine block on the 800.

Thermostat removed - lovely colour
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Hose stuffed in
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Toffee water out
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Let it flow.. getting better

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Miles better
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Hopefully that is all the gunk out of the engine block.

Tomorrow I hope to get on with that timing bolt.
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Posted 21 August 2018 - 12:55 PM

Got the camshaft housing back this morning.

They had welded it up all the way around.
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Now in theory I should take it somewhere to get machined. Instead I channeled my inner Dave and got the Dremel out.

I mainly used the sanding wheels to start taking it back on the key faces. It was slow work but quite satisfying.
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Many were used
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Then out with the wet and dry
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Used the old camshaft and oil seals to test fitbce2f817295268e3c6967daadfcc9015.jpg91234b617f6ba8effe3db7fbf36b8923.jpgd0d86fc05bd2bb03f1fae74f2e855e60.jpg89801e1a101f623221a4dd6657820daa.jpgd34d35260d209dee0b5a9ca5e26c7919.jpg

Seems to run smoothly and no rough edges. I think I should get away with it.


Missus Moog is at work so used my parts* washer
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Posted 21 August 2018 - 03:29 PM

The seal pocket is a bit rough, but as long as you smear goo around the outside of the camshaft seal it should be reet.


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 05:51 PM

Embolden by that sort of success I cracked on with the other bits

First up was that stupid tensioner bolt. I applied many heats, hammered in the next size up allen and lo it workedaed51c60084435e10af8ac34abe2ca11.jpg

Boom. Very happy bunny

Hbol said that there are three bolts and the bottom of the timing cover falls off. After spending 20mins trying this approach I ended up whipping off the crank pulley. 8e02ba52f013e5a4abd199c42e73f36d.jpg

As you can see there isn't a bottom bit that comes off. 5dec1378c472d957c41ad06c607f5bca.jpg

That gave me access to water pump
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Shhh don't wake the boss
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Probably a good idea that the water pump was changed
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Shiny new one back on
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Phone then died so no more photos.

Timing bottom cover back on and got the head out of the dishwasher.

Next jobs are to time up the crank and lock it. Then get the camshafts back in. Then fit new timing belt, tensioner, covers, aux belt, coolant then good to go.

Couple of questions for the masses

1) I have broken part of the timing cover - any easy way to fix these? Does plastic welding work or plastic staples?

2) Tensioner bolt will need to be replaced. Are these anything special?
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Posted 21 August 2018 - 05:52 PM

The seal pocket is a bit rough, but as long as you smear goo around the outside of the camshaft seal it should be reet.

Have ordered assembly lube for the camshaft. It feels pretty smooth and rotates really easily.

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Posted 21 August 2018 - 07:03 PM

"plastic welding" works usually but needs clean plastic. It's basically just melting a thermoplastic with a soldering iron and knitting the two bits together.

If it's a flat piece, and there's a few mm of clearance behind, then drill some holes either side the crack and thread tie wraps through like the Drift Krew do with their bumpers, yo.
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Posted 21 August 2018 - 07:55 PM

Just concerned a little that it is the timing belt cover so I don't want it catching on stuff.
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Posted 21 August 2018 - 08:58 PM

moog you slaaaaag

 

remind me to take photos of the cabinets

 

im thick ill forget (like the last three days)


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Posted 21 August 2018 - 09:24 PM

Ah cambelt covers are over rated! My old xantia never had a top one fitted and did thousands of high boost miles!

Never caused a problem*
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Posted 22 August 2018 - 10:26 AM

MGF has driven off into the wilds of Accrington heading for Yorkshire with its new happy owner. Another nice to meet shiter

Down to 5.
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Posted 22 August 2018 - 10:40 AM

Why does Joe need an mgf

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Posted 22 August 2018 - 10:46 AM

Moog - I use one of those small gas torches for baking...... creme brûlée torch thing. It's so far melted together bits of the car, engine cover, undertray bits, plastic mounting for rear bumper and the crappy garden table the landlady left here...... all still in one piece and with a small flame it was easily controllable. 

If it doesn't work out you can surprise the missus with a nice pudding!


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 01:08 PM

It was very nice to meet you Mr. Moog. It was a day of many firsts. First convertible driven, first mid engined car driven, first MG. Mr. Moog also very kindly let me drive his MX-5 and Pug 406. Another two cars I had never driven! Overall a very good morning's skirmish and the MG very happily barreled along the motorway 94 miles home. It uses remarkably little fuel and looks really rather smart. Thanks again!!


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Posted 22 August 2018 - 03:09 PM

It uses remarkably little fuel


Didn't when Moog drove it either
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Posted 22 August 2018 - 08:02 PM

Didn't when Moog drove it either

What's that spinning over the (knock) hill ... Is it a hairnet ..
is it a hairnet...
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Posted 22 August 2018 - 08:29 PM

What's that spinning over the (knock) hill ... Is it a hairnet ..
is it a hairnet...

yeah but warp factor 3 rather than moog impulse powah


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 06:57 PM

Timed engine up and locked the crank
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New head bolts came and were fitted properly e0eb7d42e5e9edaf7b28ec5af1ba4506.jpg

Head cleaned and ready
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Lubed up

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So hbol says

set camshaft at 8pm on exhaust cam - tick

Add thread lock to patch bolts - tick

Tighten bolts diagonally carefully - tick

Use a torque wrench set to 25nm as max -tick

Crack the camshaft holder in a different place - tick


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:05 PM

Is your torque wrench still in cal'?
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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:10 PM

Is your torque wrench still in cal'?

It's not that old and I have barely used it. Stays in its case.

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:12 PM

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:15 PM

Thing you'll be needing this then

https://rover.ebay.c...tm/232845272476

Or this

https://rover.ebay.c...tm/183391504695
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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:16 PM

Will that fit an m series?

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:45 PM

Ah bugger, still had my t-series head on. Its a development of the m-series but probably won't fit sorry
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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:47 PM

Ah bugger, still had my t-series head on. Its a development of the m-series but probably won't fit sorry

Camshaft housings look the same. Going to lob an offer on it.

I think this has to be a labour of love to get the car back on the road.

Will get a grown up to help me fit it as well.

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Posted 23 August 2018 - 07:49 PM

Might be worth trying these guys first before that. They're showing a 16v series heaď in-stock

http://bguk.co.uk/cy...uct-stock-list/
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Posted 23 August 2018 - 08:00 PM

Wtf is going on here? I don't get why these are cracking. Is the surface they sit on not flat or something?
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Posted 23 August 2018 - 08:03 PM

Nice write up about the 800 and the differences between the m-series and t-series engine.

https://www.aronline...series-engines/
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