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#1411 OFFLINE   gadgetgricey

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:49 PM

Come on man - Any news......

Still miss mine


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#1412 OFFLINE   The Moog

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:51 PM

Come on man - Any news......
Still miss mine

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Posted 26 September 2018 - 03:31 PM

Could be worse. How long has it been off the road?



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Posted 26 September 2018 - 04:18 PM

Just over a year.

Shouldn't be too bad to fix and got 10 working days for a free partial restest.

He did say the front jacking point has a hole but as outside prescribed areas is an advisory. Also rear shock turrets need cleaning up and preventative steps taken before rust through.

Tester found it quite funny, was going to get the apprentice to plug in the diagnostic computer to pull the codes :-)
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Posted 27 September 2018 - 06:41 AM

That saab looks great, I do regret selling my last 900 so might be interested in this one if it comes up for sale.
Did I read somewhere that you're after a rover T-series?

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Posted 27 September 2018 - 07:15 AM

That saab looks great, I do regret selling my last 900 so might be interested in this one if it comes up for sale.
Did I read somewhere that you're after a rover T-series?

M series ideally but a t series at a push.
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 08:45 PM

Started to tackle the mot jobs today.

Saab bush ordered on eBay. Then onto the PAS leak.

Leftt the car running on a clean bit of concrete, then turned the wheel left to right and back a bit.

Moved the car back and no drips or leaks evident.

Next - car up in the air to have a look trying
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Couldn't see anything obvious
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Found a cable tie covered in gunk so removed that
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Cleaned everything up
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Still no joy. So a quick call to my knight in dark overalls and he said to bring the Swedish beast over.

Before that I slurped some fluid out of the car
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And lobbed some magic fix in
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Tootling over the car started making strange noises. I did the usual checks - does it go when braking?
Does it only happen under accelerating? Does turning make a difference?
Does taking it out of gear make a difference?
Is it linked to engine speed?

Answers were no, no ,no no and yes.

Popped the bonnet
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Had a hunt around and found the issue
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Hard to see there but the tensioning bolt for the alternator was loose and rubbing against the belts. This was missing a nut

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Pushed it back together hoping it would hold. Bonnet down ready to go. Car just clicked. Bugger

Quick check and the battery terminal were loose, the negative had popped off.
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Off I set, the alternator held together by hopes and dreams. They lasted all of 500m before the noise started again.

Time to get
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No proper tools to hand but inspiration decided that a keyring could be a lock wire
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the glove was previous friction based solution. It wasn't successful. No shit Sherlock.

That held perfectly.

Njgleeds got it up on the ramp and after a poke about agreed that couldn't find the pas leak. All cleaned up with brake cleaner and dried off.

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At the same time we had a poke at the suspension bush. The bolt holding it on looked full of Norwegian chrome.

A little tickle with a breaker bar resulted in bolt becoming two bolts.

Quick trip to eBay and new secondhand lower wishbone ordered to come next week.


Mr njgleeds has also prodded me to try a roffle with this rather than a straight sale. So once a MOT has been procured it will be up for roffle.
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 08:58 PM

I have been trying to find that damn PAS leak since 2012. The best guess I've come up with is that one of the pipes has actually gone slightly porous as it never seems to have come from a single specific source.

The central locking is usually provoked into waking up by fiddling with the driver's window. No, I've no idea either. It's done it since I got the car.

Bolts for the alternator may well be in the glovebox, I took the belts off when I needed to move the car around after the coolant had been drained as I didn't want to wreck the water pump bearings.

Nice to see the rust moths haven't been nibbling too badly. I've not even looked under it since I last had it in for an MOT.

Note if you decide to change the ATF - it needs the old school type F fluid, do not put Dex-any-number in it, or the box will be scrap in no time.

If this winds up for raffle, you do know I'll feel obligated to enter, even though I've less than nowhere to put it.
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 09:16 PM

Great Saab update! Would be interesting to compare my Vantman-Holbeck 900 with yours. Mine is also an auto, year younger, lacks a sunroof but is a 16v. I suspect your engine and box combo makes most sense as it’s a bit of an old school 3 speed slogger in these i think. I find it a relaxed old thing to pootle around in.

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 09:23 PM

Well you can do a back to back comparison when you buy a ticket or two Bjorn!

Cheers for help Zel. Neil had a spare but so all back together.

Underneath as a bit of surface rust and there are some places where it would benefit from a little tickle from the sparkle stick. Overall it is a solid old beast.

The sunroof drains have me stumped. They feel truly blocked and coat hanger action doesn't seem to help. It is probably worth dropping the headliner to fix them and do the headlining whilst it is out.

Only issue is that they can be very fragile at this age and breaking it will be a pain.
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Posted 28 September 2018 - 09:56 PM

The 8v engine works far better with the auto box than the 16v in my experience. The 16v is more rev happy, meaning you tend to just get into the power band when it drops a gear unless you've got your foot to the floor.

The really fun bit being that due to the gearing, in the mid range the 8v auto is actually quicker than a manual 16v. Much to the surprise of my mate who had said 16v manual when I booted it at about 50 and he found that I basically just left him standing.

I just find that it's really well matched to the box and the car in general. Just the lack of overdrive that lets it down. Budget for low 20s mpg in daily use, she'll just about crack 30mpg on a run if you're gentle...but I've found that driving style actually makes relatively little difference in that car (unlike the Activa!).

For the sunroof drains, from what I recall they come out down in the wheel arches. Worth trying to blast them clear from the bottom with some compressed air? Thinking about it... they're meant to have rubber boots on to act as one way valves and stop the drains gurgling at speed... they've not just got gunked up have they?

She's been a bloody good old motor, and is one that I really do regret having had to sell.
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Posted 29 September 2018 - 06:05 PM

Said it before but we do live in an amazing age. Payday yesterday so ordered slider pins for the getz and a new caliper for the mx5 from eBay.

Both were delivered this morning - can't really beat that.

The getz drivers side wheel has been getting hot and squeaking a bit. Starting with simple things and am replacing the sliding pin and boots.

Jacked up the getz easily enough. Nice to have a car that isn't lowered or very low (looking at you Saab and mx5)

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First challenge - the car has got locking wheel nuts. Not a problem as it came with the box with the key in. Except I chucked it away about a month ago, thinking that I had changed them for normal nuts. Except I hadn't, that was a different car. Idiot boy sometime.

Cracked out the undoey tools
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Worked really well
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Discs look ok
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Pads look ok as well
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Caliper up and off
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Pins new and old
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All greased up and back together. Took it for a quick run and the wheel wasn't getting hot so fingers crossed it has fixed things.

Mx5 up next. A new shiny caliper was only £40 delivered so pointless rebuilding the old one. I ordered a 1.8 caliper as GM upgraded the brakes when he had the wee beastie. d429c97ed2bec6872525ec0fb9e6e7bf.jpg

Plastic bag in master cylinder to minimise fluid loss
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Caliper cracked off
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Then things got a bit complicated. The calipers looked similar but the slider pins on the new one were the opposite way round. So a big slider pin was on the bottom in new caliper versus the top on the old one. Many head scratchings and double checking left me none the wiser.
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Luckily the caliper came with a new carrier so should be the case of whip the old one off and fit shiny new ones.

Erm well that was easier said than done. Needed angle grinder, plus gas and then the undoey tools.
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The bolts just rounded but once I managed to get a flat on it I could get it off.
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After asking the scotoshiters I learnt that the 1.8 calipers are different to 1.6 in that the pins are the other way round( which makes sense). Gm should have some replacement bolts he can lob in the post then I need to bleed the car and jobs a good un.


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Needs lower wishbone plus lower shock bushing then in for a retest before being moved on.

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Needs central locking fixing, a new clutch at some point, dents pushing out, full service, probably cambelt, the interior stripping and cleaning, tracking done, winter tyres fitting, a/c regassing and new stereo fitting

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Needs m series head or scrapping (joking Neil).

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Need rear arches derusted and painted, hoping that brakes are fixed and that's it. Ideally would fit reversing sensors and also a better car aerial as the radio reception is a bit pants.
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Posted 29 September 2018 - 06:48 PM


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Needs m series head or scrapping (joking Neil).


Whoah, whoah, easy tiger......
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Posted 29 September 2018 - 10:19 PM

ouch, those rusty bolts put up a fight ! I'll rake around the parts box and dig some out for you tomorrow afternoon.

Where are you getting calipers at that price from ? I might order a pair of them myself

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 10:05 AM

ouch, those rusty bolts put up a fight ! I'll rake around the parts box and dig some out for you tomorrow afternoon.

Where are you getting calipers at that price from ? I might order a pair of them myself

eBay - https://www.ebay.co....d=1713469721010

I have ordered a driver's side one as well now as for that price is a bit of a no brainer.
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Posted 30 September 2018 - 07:00 PM

No joy with those calipers bolts, I'm afraid. I've got slider pins in abundance but obviously didn't think it worth saving the carrier bolts. Sorry to have raised your hopes :(
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:04 PM

Today has been one of fettling.

First up he wee red beastie. New caliper and bolts turned up yesterday but due to lurgy I couldn't start it till today.

As I left it
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Shiny things attached
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Fluid attached
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On to second side
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Dugggggggaduggggga all comes apart easily this side
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Got my money's worth
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Copper washers treated
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Bled and shiny
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Pedal feel is still the same. But at least brakes shouldn't be an issue in the future.

Onto the other resident. Mr Njgleeds kindly led the way with the mot failure sheet.

Up in air

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Let's check PAS leak
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Drier than a James Bond martini.

Last week in attempting to get the shock bolt off, we managed to shear the locating stud. A secondhand lower wishbone was acquired to fit, along with a new lower bush.

The beauty of Saab's is that they are pretty easy to work on. No MacPherson struts but rather double wishbones.

Bolts out, arm off, old(new) arm on, bolts tighten

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You can see the broken bit on the bottom one.
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Bush lubed and changed then put back together
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Off to MOT and got a lovely new cert
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To celebrate it has come to work with me, I mean a Saab in an educational establishment carpark who would have thought it.
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Saab will be hoovered, cleaned then put up for a premium Swedish roffle.
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:08 PM

Oh, *that* stud. Yes, have snapped a few of those over the years!
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:32 PM

A successful day
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:47 PM

Education lmao
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:13 PM

Good work!


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:46 PM

Saab is an interesting car - it definitely needs another gear. At 65 ish on the motorway you wait for it to change up but it doesnt happen. 

 

Bimbling along at 50 is nice although wind noise with the window issue is a little intrusive.

 

Drives lovely though, definitely feels a child of the early 80's rather than anything more modern. the seats are comfy but lack any side bolster so any erik carlsson like dreams are shattered as you go sliding off into the middle pretty easily. 

 

If it was a turbo and or 5 speed I think I would probably be holding on to it. 3 speed and non turbo just dont float my boat. 


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 08:42 PM

Definitely going to have a couple of randoms!  :mrgreen:


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 09:20 PM

I have to admit that I stopped noticing the engine noise at speed after a while, it's proven quite happy to sit at an indicated 75 from one end of the country to the other and back without breaking a sweat. I'm pretty sure that third in that is higher geared than fifth in the Lada...that really does scream a bit at motorway speeds!

No space...hence why I sold it...but yes I know I'll end up getting a number anyway...
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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:39 PM

 then put up for a premium Swedish roffle.

 

#28 please...


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Posted 07 October 2018 - 05:32 PM

My neighbour knocked today and asked if I wanted his ramps.

He built them 50 years ago and they have been collecting dust.

They are amazing as are really shallow and long and feel like they are made of girders.

Perfect for mx5 fettling. ca6a918b613b2a9feafdbedd0f108299.jpg
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Posted 07 October 2018 - 05:37 PM

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 01:53 PM

In whatever storm is supposedly going on outside, I sensibly* decided to fit the front winter tyres I have.

You can see the difference in them
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I also used the tyre alignment gizmo for the first time. Makes fitting the wheel simple
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Only thing to note was that the front left brake disc screw was loose and so might be the occasional rattle I heard. All tightened up
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