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#1231 ONLINE   Bucketeer

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Posted 17 August 2018 - 03:46 PM

so not the end of the world and a lesson learnt.


Shit situation but that's defo the best way to look at it.
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Posted 17 August 2018 - 06:27 PM

Luckily I am sworn off roffles at the moment...

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You could give them up anytime you wanted, couldn't you?


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 07:27 PM

You could give them up anytime you wanted, couldn't you?

Absolutely.... Just after the next one :-)
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Posted 17 August 2018 - 07:37 PM

Bollocks. Have a beer and forget about it for a while. Go and play with your 4 legged Rover


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#1235 OFFLINE   Dave_Q

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Posted 17 August 2018 - 07:42 PM

The patch bolt is the one with a patch of preapplied threadlock type gunk. You can see it in the HBOL picture.

Yours look like they were patch treated, you can see some of the compound left in the threads.

Just clean the threads up and put threadlock on (guessing that HBOL tells you to put it on plain bolts but not patch ones)
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#1236 OFFLINE   The Moog

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Posted 17 August 2018 - 07:48 PM

Thanks Mr Q - I did wonder what they were on about.


Rimmer's just list exactly the same bolts so I assume stronger thread lock then is used on those patch bolts?
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Posted 17 August 2018 - 07:57 PM

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Ahh man, feel sorry for you there. At least as you say it can be welded and lesson learnt though.


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 08:02 PM

Well, there are a variety of patch compounds the same as there are different threadlocks, so it's not necessarily that it's stronger, it's purely for ease of assembly.

 

The bolts come in from the manufacturer with the patch treatment already applied, it's dry until you tighten it up so it's clean and easy to handle, plus you get a controlled amount of compound vs a random size of blob with liquid threadlock.


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 11:53 PM

Simple answer is no.
That sounds like what I have done.
Can't find any heads so will see if I can get it welded up.


Bad luck chap. Well done of the bracket repair though
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Posted Yesterday, 05:28 AM

You've already figured this out Moog I think but the camshaft is constantly holding at least two valves open to some extent. You've removed the u/s cam and all the valves have closed. Then you've offered up the new cam and tightened it down, it's begun to depress the cam followers on a couple of valves and started to open those valves. Unfortunately you haven't fitted the camshaft in the correct timed position relative to the crank/pistons and the other cam.
Next go you'll either have to pop the toothed pulley back on the end of the cam so you can correctly line up the timing marks, as if you were carrying out a belt swap, which you eventually will be, or use a dial guage to measure the cam lift in order to find the correct position.
Sincere apologies if I'm going over stuff you've already worked out or been told, I'd hate you to have another unsuccessful weekend!
From memory the head bolts are stretch bolts, which means that the clamping force they offer now that you've re-torqued them will be nowhere near the original, check in the manual, if they are stretch bolts then replace them.
Soz mate.:-(
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#1241 OFFLINE   The Moog

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Posted Yesterday, 08:53 AM

Thanks Spartacus - once it was mentioned i assumed that was what had happened.

In my haste I had removed it all myself and not followed hbol process. Then I followed the hbol process to reinstall which is based on the fact you have followed their steps - #spoiler - I hadn't!

The timing belt was next on list. I had thought about doing it first but hadn't got the water pump yet.

Good point about headbolts. Will check a few get them changed. Better to find out now rather than later.
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Posted Yesterday, 11:01 AM

Ever since I have got the 406 I have found it glacially slow. Serviced it, had a check of egr etc couldn't find anything.

Ordered a new MAF as mentioned above -£30 from eBay. Arrived today
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Two minute job to swap it over. Always remember to swap the o ring
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Took it out for a spin and flipping heck it goes. Result and virtual pint for those that said MAF de170cba568a355c52f5315e6b9464cc.jpg

It feels like I have a new car.

Also in the post were the new rubber mounts for the engine cover. This quietens the diesel down a fair amount.

The old ones had the rubber shear from the nut. £2 delivered from hong Kong.

You can see the old ones on the end

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Screwed in
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Cover on and quiet again
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Posted Yesterday, 08:37 PM

Nothing on TV so instead decided to crack on with rover.

Got the crank times correctly first.

I have mainly used this socket set - I think it is a Screwfix jobbie but does 99% if the jobs I need
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Car up and on stands
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Wheel arch liner to come off
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Yum crispy. But just comes undone
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Sump supported
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Engine mount off
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Then drive belt off - will need a new one after this.

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Then timing covers off before reaching an impasse. The tensioner bolt just won't come undone. Even with rattle gun or breaker bar.

It is a Torx 50 head but won't budge.

Ran out of light and ideas. Gave up and going to Google.
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Posted Yesterday, 08:51 PM

When you say it won't move with a breaker bar do you mean it won't move with you heaving on it as much as possible, or you stop because you think it might break?

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Posted Yesterday, 09:17 PM

I probably was a little easy on it. It definitely is tight. I think whatever I do to get it off then it will need replacing.

Google seems to show that the tensioner pulley bolt is a pretty common one to be an arse to get off.
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Posted Today, 08:17 AM

Get a length of thick wall tube on the end of the breaker bar, obvs if something breaks then it wasn't my fault...
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Posted Today, 08:49 AM

Three things that often help, heat and force and impact.

Before you try more force, try some impact. If it is countersunk, give it a whack in the head with a hammer and punch, but not enough to close up the hex key sloct if it has one.

If it is a next head bolt, try the whack on the head with a hammer and punch. Try the whack on the side with a hammer and chisel to try and get it to turn.

Heat might not be an option.

Then try more force.
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Posted Today, 09:00 AM

Will give it all a go when get a chance.

Another question

This is the timing belt tensioner Rimmer bros list for the car (and what I have bought)
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this is what is on the car

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And in Haynes
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They are quite different. Trawling eBay yields similar to RM tensioners. Am I missing something?
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#1249 OFFLINE   spartacus

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Posted Today, 10:10 AM

Is that a torx on yours, or just a fucked up allen head? No wonder you don't feel like leaning on it much, it looks pretty shonky.
Sorry to be on such a downer Moog!





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