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#481 ONLINE   Junkman

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 03:00 PM

It's at the bloody pointless MoT today because of a stupid law that should have been abolished rather yesterday than today.

What a waste of money and resources for fuck all benefit.


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Posted 09 February 2019 - 01:54 PM

Since the purchase of the saloon, this car hasn't been used a lot. Not because it's unwanted, it's rather because the saloon always ends up being parked in the driveaway spot at the Junktowers and is thus the car that's used all the time. We don't really need two cars, let alone three.

 

Anyway, the car had been sitting unused since we raided visited Eddyramrod until I used it on Thursday on a trip down to the West Midlands, which it did in the usual flawless manner. Since I returned after the Junkwoman on that day, it ended up in pole position for a change. Hence the Junkwoman used it yesterday for her errands and reported upon return that the heater doesn't work and the temp gauge occasionally reads around 100C.

Upon closer examination, the car was about three to four litres low on coolant. Once replenished, everything worked fine again.

 

A closer examination of the cooling system revealed no obvious leaks, this includes the dreaded heater matrix, so I'm now wondering how the coolant could disappear.

 

Also, where are all the bleed screws located that are mentioned in the Haynes for the 2.0? I only managed to find the one in the thermostat housing.

 

This car is becoming unusually unreliable for a 405, I guess it's directly proportional to the lack of use and the number of it being smashed into something.


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Posted 09 February 2019 - 02:07 PM

4 litres of coolant? For a 2.0 Petrol 4 banger?

Outrageous!

My GSA takes none;)
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Posted 09 February 2019 - 02:11 PM

Only bleed screw I know of is the one I think you're referring to on the right of the engine, yes near the thermostat I think.  My GTX loses a bit of water regularly so I need to keep it topped up or it will overheat rapidly.


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Posted 09 February 2019 - 02:19 PM

No low water level light on one of these? Every 405 I have had has had one. I am sure you are but using the pop bottle trick in order to bleed the system is paramount on 405's ime.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 12:13 PM

No warning light came on, so presume broken.

Never heard of the pop bottle trick, thus ignorant of it and consequently not applied it, but evidently my 405 does not need any trickery to top up the coolant.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 12:36 PM

Glad I read this my 405 seems to use a bit of water
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 01:50 PM

Coolant reservoir cap starting to leak when hot? I assume if it wasn't used for this long its unlikely to lose that much through there so quickly.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 02:23 PM

A 405 has no coolant reservoir. There is merely a tank integral with the radiator, that you fill to a certain level mark.

The cap is not leaking, also the cooling system on these is very low pressure.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 02:29 PM

No warning light came on, so presume broken.

Never heard of the pop bottle trick, thus ignorant of it and consequently not applied it, but evidently my 405 does not need any trickery to top up the coolant.

 

Hopefully you've got lucky then. Some of the pipes in a 405 are situated above the filler point and don't bleed properly, 306's suffer the same problem. I learnt the hard way and scrapped a perfectly good XUD when being rushed to get my car off a mates ramp one evening years ago. It was his suggestion to change the weeping pipe, I had been quite happy waiting for it to get warmer before working on the car and relying on the low level water light. I was not a happy bunny.

The HBOL also suggests that if your engine is a 2.0 there is another bleed in  a coolant bypass pipe behind the cylinder head.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:10 PM

I read the Haynes, which prompted me to post in an earlier post the question as to where this bleed, or better, that coolant pipe is supposed to be located.

There certainly are none behind the cylinder heads of any of my 2.0s.

It also mentions another bleed screw in the thermostat housing, apart from the one in the thermostat cover. Hitherto I only managed to locate the one in the latter.

Anyway, it's running, the temperature is okay and the heater is hot.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 03:16 PM

Have you tried hammering a proper engine over it?
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:15 PM

Need a bigger hammer.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:20 PM

I've always bled the cooling system by undoing the cap and letting the engine idle for a bit. Not sure that's right but I've never had any air locks or OMGHGF, even on XU(D) engines.

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:36 PM

Yes, that's exactly how I did it previously, i.e. on other 405s I've owned. I was unaware bleed screws even exist until I read them mentioned in the Haynes.

When I subsequently opened the one in the thermostat housing, indeed no water came out until I started filling the radiator.


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:47 PM

Sounds like the patented SVM and Kiltox/Beko total loss cooling system is playing up... Just top it up when the heaters run cold (or several days later if you forget) and carry on!


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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:00 PM

Don't touch the bleed screws!

They snap off IME

I changed the rad in my Mi16 once. Easy enough job but could I get all the air out and get the heater working?

Could I F***?!

Pissed about for hours squeezing hoses, taking hoses off and pouring water up them, squeezing hoses again, leaving it idling with the cap off, everything I could think of until I was late for something and had to go.

Really annoyed at the car and myself, I washed my hands, got in the car and drive it like a very annoyed person might.

1/2 a mile down the road, the heater came warm and was fine after that.

Maybe that's the trick. Thrash it!
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Posted 10 February 2019 - 11:42 PM

I shall give this a try tomorrow on my way to Brum.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:31 AM

Yep, there is a coolant leak. Can't tell where it is, but there is one.

Everything was fine all the way to Birmingham, but when I pulled into the car park there was a slight cloud of steam coming from underneath the bonnet. It originates at the right side of the engine, very low down. Bottom radiator pipe, perhaps. It's so crammed there that it's difficult to see anything, really.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:46 AM

Not sure if it has the same set up as the diesels, but this housing was very slightly cracked on mine. Didn't leak all the time thoughIMG_20190208_151448.jpg

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:03 PM

Yes, I'm aware of that housing, but mine steams from the opposite end of the engine this time.

I'd say it needs some ramp time. Of course this happens when it's least convenient.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:21 PM

Made it back home, didn't top it up or anything, car made it without any hickups. Will check level tomorrow morning before I set off to the West Midlands.

 

Besides, they have removed the hard shoulder practically all the way between Manchester and Birmingham. they call this attempted murder "upgrading". It doesn't exactly put you at ease when you know your car has a coolant leak.

 

Also, it was like driving at Bonneville (just 300 slower). Is that much salt on the road really necessary at 12C? This can't be good for that nature either.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:02 PM

Not got a pinhole in a hose has it?

When my old xm was loosing coolant I couldn't see it anywhere, was only when I (angrily) revved the crap out of it with the bonnet up after weeks of driving around with a boot full of water that I saw the small stream of coolant shoot out of a hose... I couldn't see it as by the time I'd pulled over to top it up, it all dried out instantly with the engine heat, and didn't do it at idle, only with revs.

Get someone to pummel the throttle whilst you look everywhere, catch it before it dries

The only other coolant leak I've ever had was the Puma, but that was a bit more blatent as it split its stupid buried plastic thermostat housing at asda, walked back to ye olde puddle of inevitability all around the car. Aa job home that was...
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 08:21 PM

It's fucked!




Has this got the steel pipe that runs just to front of the engine low down?
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:19 PM

There are pipes everywhere, so I'd say yes.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:53 AM

Not got a pinhole in a hose has it?

 

It could be anything really, even the water pump, which was changed during the cambelt change last year.

I'm afraid it needs some ramp time to find the root cause. These have the weirdest cooling system I have ever seen in any car, with a plethora of hoses and pipes going from anywhere to everywhere, but no expansion tank or anything.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:26 AM

Fill it with jelly, that won't leak, thicker than water you see
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:06 AM

The radiator and expansion tank are combined. Many people fill the radiators to the brim then the car expels some water and people think there is an issue!

As for the metal pipe, it can't be that. 405s don't rust
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:23 AM

I'm not most people and the car releases steam, not drips, from somewhere low down at the right side of the engine, not the area around the rad.


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