barrett Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Hello. Perhaps somebody can help. There is a 1.9 JTD Multipla sitting around here that needs shifting. The battery went flat a while back, and in an attempt to move it we disconnected the battery to get a charger on the terminals. Hooking it all back up results in a big fat NOTHING. Checking the handbook there is a helpful page explaining the proper, longwinded procedure for disconnecting a battery which naturally was not followed in any way, shape or form. There is no explanation of what to do should you ignore this procedure. The car will not start, there is obviously some sort of immobiliser error or something that kicks in when you take the battery off without following the instructions. Anybody have an idea of what can be done about this, if anything? Please only reply in words of less than three syllables using non-technical language. Thanks. In unrelated news, does anyone want to buy a diesel Mult for spears/repars? it will be CHEAPO. cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollywobbler Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Please only reply in words of less than three syllables using non-technical language. Thanks. KILL IT WITH FIRE. HTH. Taff, Junkman and RichardK 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Do these have a red key, blue key and a black key ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkman Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 A car requiring a "procedure" to have its battery removed has forfeited its right to exist. Anyway, the only way to disarm the immobiliser is via the remote key fob, does that work?If not, it's 50 quid and ten minutes for a car locksmith to remove that anti theft shit once and for all.Guess how I know. mouseflakes, chaseracer and Lacquer Peel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I had a bit of this when I let the battery run down Might be a daft one, but check the battery in the blipper is ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 No lights on the dash? Any cranking? Any sign of badgers chewing on the wiring loom?Is the battery testing okay? All the terminals done up nice and tight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I'd suggest visiting more specialised Fiat fora. From my experiences with Fiat group products, if the immobiliser shits itself you need the red key to have any chance of resetting it. That's one thing I can say for the Mondeo - it may be dreadful modern toss in most ways, but at least it can take having its battery earth lead yanked off without crapping itself. The "reset" procedure seems to consist in reconnecting the battery and then pressing the "unlock" button on the remote until it responds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taff Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 KILL IT WITH FIRE. HTH. another vote for fire from the Wiltshire representative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH-R Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I think the Multipla is too new for the red key bollocks, a way to check is to look at the key blade and see if it has a triangle pointing into a circle with a 2 next to it. If it does, that's the newer Code 2 system. Surprised that it has "shutdown" procedure, think I've had the battery off just by the yank technique on all of my Fiats with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankytim Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Don't think it makes a difference if you remove/reconnect the battery. It never did with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplebargeken Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I like Multiplas. I think they look cool and are fairly practical. I have nothing of use to add re: weird battery thingy............. However, nothing on a Fiat forum relates to any magical process for fitting a battery, wazz it on, bolt up and away you go. Check wiring shite near battery? Change fob battery? I don't really know, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuvvum Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Fiat immobilisers do seem to have a bit of a reputation for randomly cacking themselves though, official procedure or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf892 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Sounds like a good old fashioned knackered battery...........if you put a steel coat hanger across the terminals does it get hot or just warm? Christine and Bobthebeard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raggerminder Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Blue keys only. Never had this problem with any of our Multis - we are on our third. We have had a problem with the electricals inside the key falling apart meaning the alarm gets shitty with you. Just using the key in the lock overcomes this. Sorry I can't be more help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseflakes Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Sounds like a good old fashioned knackered battery.... Good point - is it worth trying with a known-good battery instead? Pretty sure I swapped the battery out when we had a JTD Multiplop. As I recall there was lots of embarrassing alarm sounding during the process (maybe that's what the 'removal procedure' is trying to help avoid?), but no issues getting the car to work afterwards. I guess it might depend on how old/new the car is - ours was an early frog-face, the process might have changed after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrydicky Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 The BEST solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrett Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Aye, it's a breaker really due to some rust on the rear sprung hangers, but it's worth more than the scrap man will give for it in bits so that's not really an option. Shame really, as it's a really nice, cool car that drives excellently. I like it a lot but it's time for it to die. I'll be well embarrassed if it's just a goosed battery, but I'll try and find a known good one (lol) and lob that on. It was months ago we tried to start it and I can't remember what happened, but pretty sure there was a warning message on the dash or something. Updates in due course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan_dyane Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 These stupid things will need a really good battery otherwise you're on a hiding to nowhere. Modern crap etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lankytim Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I've just weighed in a good rear axle for one of these because nobody wanted it. This is the SECOND Multi i've seen in need of one since it went pah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownnova Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 HH-R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Not quite so ugly any more? Perhaps time has been kind when Peugeot and others have been offering us grim efforts for the past 15 years. And just look at that Juke! Missus likes our Multipla, I does too Does need a good battery though, the JTD If you do end up breaking it I'll buy the interior door handles and scratchy dash bits if not too grim mouseflakes and M'coli 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouseflakes Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 the interior door handles and scratchy dash bits if not too grim You just can't stop yourself picking at them can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Yeah, you rest at night and you can hear them out there, picking at themselves. By morning the oily plastics have aged another year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrett Posted August 18, 2015 Author Share Posted August 18, 2015 We won't be breaking it here but selling it off whole to somebody who will (or maybe fix it). The plastics are a bit grotty, not the worst I've seen but not great. Door handles I think are all right though. I've put the battery booster on just now, we'll see what happens later on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobthebeard Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Read something about a battery condition monitor attached to the negative battery lead somewhere. Apparently can become disconnected if the battery is removed. Non starting results. May be bollocks of course, but was on a Fiat forum, so possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willswitchengage Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 KILL IT WITH FIRE. HTH. Fiat FIRE engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twosmoke300 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 That must be a late fire with plugs down through the rocker cover ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cort16 Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 willswitchengage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH-R Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 FIRE? Shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat4alfa Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 All that FIRE meant was it was assembled by Robots Not Roberts, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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