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#1621 OFFLINE   richardmorris

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Posted 18 June 2017 - 09:34 PM

She liked driving! I thought she bought it new, but perhaps it was an ex demo? I was only 11 at the time so don't recall. It did have red seat belts though which I thought very flash.
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#1622 OFFLINE   Six-cylinder

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:14 AM

When my Vitesse broke down and had to be towed in I new I could fix it quickly as I have been working on these cars for 40 years and had spares.

 

I soon identified I had no spark so put on new points ,condenser, distributor cap, rotor arm, coil, HT leads and even hot wired it to a battery giving 12.8 volts. I still had no sparks so a friend came round and did it all again including all the new parts with more new parts still no spark. I could only get an occasional spark even from the king lead so I ordered another new coil. When I fitted this I got a spark at the king lead. but not plugs. I refitted the used rotor arm that I broke down with and sparks restored and the car now drives fine.

 

The problem is I now have 3 suspect coils, are they really broken or did I accidentally fix something else and the coils are good?

 

no.1 Lucas sports coil which had been on the for at least 5 years and was on the car when I broke down.

 

no.2  Unbranded new coil that I bought new to carry as a spare and fitted but could not get a spark.

 

no. 3 Lucas standard coil bought new when the Vitesse broke down.

 

no.4 Lucas sports coil bought new when I still had a problem and is now working properly on the car.

 

Coil no. 1 Primary Ohms 3.1, Secondary Ohms 9240, working ?

Coil no. 2 Primary Ohms 4.1, Secondary Ohms 7020, working ?

Coil no. 3 Primary Ohms 3.7, Secondary Ohms 9010, working ?

Coil no. 4 Primary Ohms 3.0, Secondary Ohms 10380, on car now

 

I believe all the resistance readings are within a working coil range. Does anybody have the knowledge to know if the first 3 coils are ok or is there another factor I have not taken into account? 

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:37 AM

You need to buy another 3 cars that aren't running and try a coil on each...
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#1624 OFFLINE   richardmorris

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:12 PM

I've a similar problem with the fiat, two standard coils - magnetti morelli original and a Bosch replacement giving similar readings but neither giving a good spark when hot. I spent £40 ish pounds on a new solid state coil and it's bloody fantastic. No hesitation starting and idles evenly at 100 degrees. More than be said for my blood pressure!
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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:57 AM

You can't tell if an ignition coil is good from the resistance readings of the two windings.

With resistance measurements you can tell only that it is broken if one or both of the windings is open circuit, ie infinite ohms.

The usual way coils fail is that a short circuit develops between adjacent turns of either the primary or the secondary. This has negligable effect upon the resistance measurements but a strong effect on the ability of the coil to produce a useful spark. What happens is that most of the energy that should go into producing that high voltage across the secondary for a good spark goes into heating up that short circuited turn. Thus a duff coil and no spark.
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Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:17 AM

I have ordered another Lucas sports coil to keep as a spare and really don't have the time to simply refit each one, so I guess there days are numbered!

 

I had another run out last night and all seems fine with the Vitesse now.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:49 AM

Another milestone day yesterday, the LNA passed its MOT.

 

Unfortunately with that it threw its driver's window into the door shell unbroken, the metal has a reputation for rotting away so we will see when I investigate the problem.

 

It has taken 11 months to reach this point and of coarse one day it still needs painting as well. Remember the story, on ebay sat in a hedge for a number of years, engine in the boot looking like somebody might get a few spares off it. I liked the look of it especially as it was an Inca limited edition, but I am too clever to think it was a viable project so my bid for £103 was just so I could dream about it in the bath, I was sure somebody would out bid me! They did not so what to do with it, I felt sorry for it so when I found somebody familiar with there engines he investigated it for me and we just kept going..............

 

Now would you buy a car from these pictures on the original ebay listing!

 

 

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 08:14 AM

Taxed worse
€600?

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 08:28 AM

Intrigued....

RMorris.. What is a 'solid state' coil?

Not electric ign + hall sensor ?

Are you saying it replaces a 'silver coketin' wired coil??

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 08:43 AM

Taxed worse
€600?

 

Now taxed.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 11:38 AM

Intrigued....

RMorris.. What is a 'solid state' coil?

Not electric ign + hall sensor ?

Are you saying it replaces a 'silver coketin' wired coil??

EBay linkkie... Have you one :)


ToMM© has the 'all in one' sparkie dizzie, so just interested in the concept ;)


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Yes, the ignition is still on points and condenser (in the fiat at least), it's a direct replacement for the metal canister type. On the fiat this old one looked to be leaking as there was a misting of oil around the seal.

 

dry coil type in the fiat....

 

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and this one in the 2CV.

 

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https://www.ecas2cvp...ock-p-1159.html


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:30 PM

When my Vitesse broke down and had to be towed in I new I could fix it quickly as I have been working on these cars for 40 years and had spares.

 

I soon identified I had no spark so put on new points ,condenser, distributor cap, rotor arm, coil, HT leads and even hot wired it to a battery giving 12.8 volts. I still had no sparks so a friend came round and did it all again including all the new parts with more new parts still no spark. I could only get an occasional spark even from the king lead so I ordered another new coil. When I fitted this I got a spark at the king lead. but not plugs. I refitted the used rotor arm that I broke down with and sparks restored and the car now drives fine.

 

The problem is I now have 3 suspect coils, are they really broken or did I accidentally fix something else and the coils are good?

 

no.1 Lucas sports coil which had been on the for at least 5 years and was on the car when I broke down.

 

no.2  Unbranded new coil that I bought new to carry as a spare and fitted but could not get a spark.

 

no. 3 Lucas standard coil bought new when the Vitesse broke down.

 

no.4 Lucas sports coil bought new when I still had a problem and is now working properly on the car.

 

Coil no. 1 Primary Ohms 3.1, Secondary Ohms 9240, working ?

Coil no. 2 Primary Ohms 4.1, Secondary Ohms 7020, working ?

Coil no. 3 Primary Ohms 3.7, Secondary Ohms 9010, working ?

Coil no. 4 Primary Ohms 3.0, Secondary Ohms 10380, on car now

 

I believe all the resistance readings are within a working coil range. Does anybody have the knowledge to know if the first 3 coils are ok or is there another factor I have not taken into account? 

Ha......fitted too many parts at once!!

 

Take all your coils for a drive and try them one at a time..........

 

Bin or store accordingly


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:32 PM

Are they all 12v coils though?



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:37 PM

Ha......fitted too many parts at once!!

 

Take all your coils for a drive and try them one at a time..........

 

Bin or store accordingly

 

I fitted a string of parts starting with points gap check and visual inspection of distributor cap and then tried again after each new item was fitted. 


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 02:10 PM

So the points maybe not switching the coil on off reliably?  Have you checked the earth link between the two parts of the distributor base plate?



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 02:26 PM

So the points maybe not switching the coil on off reliably?  Have you checked the earth link between the two parts of the distributor base plate?

 

Fitting coil number 4 gave me a spark at the king lead and refitting the original rotor arm means the car is working again, so far about 120 miles.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:00 PM

Great news on the LNA, what a brilliant save, this forum etc. Does it really need paint?

Asimo, that is very interesting info re coils, because HBOL for my Skoda just refers to resistance tests and not the point you note.

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 03:20 PM

what is the "edf lna"?


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:14 PM

what is the "edf lna"?

 

 Électricité de France (EDF, Electricity of France)

 

It is a LNA "Enterprise", which in Citroen talk means no passanger front seat or a small folding one.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

I collected the MG Metro from my favourite garage today, what a line up for a garage that does not do classics!

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:28 PM

any excuse for a curry :lol:

 

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 05:35 PM

I've just read that this early Visa has been smashed up today, do you know it?

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 06:33 PM

Deliberately or in an accident?

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:08 PM

I've just read that this early Visa has been smashed up today, do you know it?

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Is he OK?

 

I have met the owner a couple of times and at 2CV registers day we were showing off to the A series cars how a luxury car is!

 

I think he is an active member in the 2CV world.

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Posted 22 June 2017 - 07:09 PM

Apparently he's ok but the car isn't. Sadly i don't know anymore though. It was just a post that someone put up on Facebook.

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Posted 25 June 2017 - 10:02 PM

Project LNA meets project MG Metro for the first time.

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