Squire_Dawson Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 German car manufacturers are assholes. Nothing new there. It sucks and I hate the legal crap they hide behind, the monkey-killing bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewaster Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 the monkey-killing bastards.That was Hartlepool. Still bastards though. That's why they are successful. As others suggested, maybe register a company name in China where copyrights can be found on a nail next to the bog. Vulgalor Dogwang Auto Etchings Concern. tooSavvy and Datsuncog 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod/b Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 So the TL:DR i’m getting is that Volkswagen are cunts, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_70s Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I think the issue here is Vulg doesn't want to break the law as much on moral grounds than any practical reason. This fair enough, but it should be taken into account that we're dealing with mega-corporations here who have multi-million dollar legal depts in place to bend every single law they can to be in their favour. In the end laws only really exist for us losers at the bottom of the food chain... Craig the Princess and GrumpiusMaximus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I think BMW still own most of the ex BL brands from when they bought Rover. They certainly own Triumph I seem to recall when the BINI was launched the legals when fucking mad with cease and desist letters to any business that contained the word Mini. It was eventually decided that Mini and MINI were entirely different. go figure Probably the main reason why there are so many countryman BINIs with the letter O missing iCunt may also get me into trouble with a trillion pound company that regards design as more important than functionality At Le Mans a few years back we fell foul of Austin Martin, we printed up our own t-shirts with AM wings on the back. AM marketing woman and two heavies cornered us and insisted on us saying where we got them from. One of my mates told the aggressive woman to fro in no uncertain terms. Some of us went along to corvette and bought stickers from them which we plastered over the top of the wings on our shirts. A couple of the lads went back and mooned the Austin Martin official merchandise shop. Alas the whole debacle was a most fucking unpleasant experience for me it soured the weekend. But then I do worry a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SierraMikeHotel Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 FWIW Vulg I think you're approaching this in exactly the right way. You mentioned not having much time - let me know if there's anything I can do to help on the admin side (sending the letters off, keeping track of replies etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 I may take you up on that once I've got the letter the way I want it. I'm aiming for a broad permission with minimal restrictions that is also specific in what it allows me to do. If I can get a "draw whatever you like, it's okay by us" reply that's the ideal. I strongly suspect nothing will really change and I'll carry on as I was. Most of the work I produce is from manufacturers that don't actually seem to care looking at the info I'm getting back, or who don't actually exist any more. I have learned that Ford and Chevrolet tend to be quite favourable towards artwork of their products both new and old and that it is, mainly, the German companies who get a bit upset about it. The only continental manufacturers I've had info back on is Citroen and it seems they don't care about the older stuff, just the brand new line up, and even then they're not that fussed. Absolutely no news good or bad about any Italian manufacturers, nor any Japanese or Korean manufacturers. Generally speaking, the stuff I enjoy creating is the least likely to cause offence from the information I've had back, so we should be okay. I'd just like confirmation that I'm good and approved and, if possible, some sort of approval from the manufacturers that I can wave about a bit. I'm still being positive about this, as much as I can. Also, even though I haven't replied to everyone, I have read all the posts and they too have helped give me an insight into what people know and think on this subject which itself has been quite enlightening. Thank you everyone for your input thus far, and your support. richardthestag, SierraMikeHotel, barefoot and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthestag Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Perhaps ASTON Martin were concerned the shirts might damage brand recognition The aggressive Marketing woman did mention something about AM being very particular about where their logo appears. My suggestion that it was ok on both ends of vehicles being driven badly by chav footballers didn't improve the situation when we asked Corvette for bumper sickers and explained why they were very amused but not enough to give us them for free. When I got home and increasingly nervous of the predicament (we were identifiable by a website logo on the shirt) I looked into the situation further. I found that a biere 33 label stuck over the middle of the wings might also make the issue less clear as only the logo as a whole and as a direct replica of the registered logo was cause for concern. Had we bought "Bumper stickers" from AM and stuck them on the shirt we should have been ok. Had we cut the AM wings from a book or magazine we may have fallen foul of the "no part may be reproduced ..... " because even though it was a piece of paper removed from a document bought by us the licence to use the logo was for a print publication and not a t-shirt. etc etc I did wonder at the time if I had drawn the logo with a crayon wedged in my butt cheeks then I should have been ok...... but any of the above would likely have resulted in a Cease and Desist notice with a nice QC on their side would be unlikely to see me push it. AM merchandise has "official merchandise logo fitted" and must be used in the context it was sold under Now educated I dont get involved with home made shirts any more, as a dirty protest we did add a U and change the O to an I on our "official merchandise" Le Mans flag over our campsite hense Austin Martin Oh and despite 1970s DBS being high on my bucket list I shall never buy a product, I don't really want to be associated with chav footballers you see GrumpiusMaximus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloth in a bowl Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 You need to bring out a range of items with a cut out shape on the front and "the front of this (item name) is blank because (manufacturer name) is a cunt" on the back. catsinthewelder, barefoot and New POD 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Hmm... I could release a learn-to-draw/colouring book that has all the identifying marks removed from the vehicles and you have to draw your own in. barefoot and Craig the Princess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 God these car makers sound like a right set of fascists. Why would they give a shit about some drawings of their cars, it’s not like you are depicting a scene where Fred West is lugging a dead cadaver out of the back of an Amarok and pasting it on the windows of the nearest JCT600 is it? AMC Rebel and mat_the_cat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig the Princess Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 God these car makers sound like a right set of fascists. Why would they give a shit about some drawings of their cars, it’s not like you are depicting a scene where Fred West is lugging a dead cadaver out of the back of an Amarok and pasting it on the windows of the nearest JCT600 is it?The temptation to request a Harold Shipman MK1 Renault Espace is strong. steveo3002 and GrumpiusMaximus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 NEW from Vulgalour Arts! Horrible people and their horrible cars: volume 1 Included in this edition is the Shipman Espace, Bundy Beetle, Gacy Delta 88, and MANY MORE Horrify your family with this terrible gift this Christmas. dozeydustman, GrumpiusMaximus, Tayne and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Who else could you do? What about Steve Wright shagging a hooker in his Doom Blue Mondeo. Ford would just love that... loads of cubby holes for stuff like hammers and rope. Craig the Princess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Mr Savile and his Range Rover another completely tasteless candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sierraman Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Peter Sutcliffe in a tobacco brown P6, swinging a ball pein hammer into an unwitting victims head. Doubt Roewe would be bothered about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 You're drifting off into Jim'll Paint It territory here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New POD Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 You're drifting off into Jim'll Paint It territory here. I can see what you did there cobba Arthur Foxhake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 And now for something completely different: https://www.redbubble.com/people/angylroper/works/33295971-blue-hourglass?asc=u Mrs6C, catsinthewelder and rml2345 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 I've been experimenting this week with new ideas, new ways of making images. The hourglass above works really well on a black tee-shirt as it happens, while this stylised fountain works on both black and white backgrounds across a wide range of stuff. https://www.redbubble.com/people/angylroper/works/33296125-fountain?asc=u catsinthewelder, Zelandeth and Mrs6C 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 16, 2018 Author Share Posted August 16, 2018 Finally, Wiggledots. https://www.redbubble.com/people/angylroper/works/33296302-wiggledots?asc=u These are all experimental ideas. I like them as designs, and it was fun learning how to approach my work in a completely different way to usual. I couldn't do these as commissions, they're very organic in creation. I start with a blank page and just add shapes and details until something starts to appear and once I have an idea I'm happy with, I run with it until it feels done. The three designs above all started on the principle of just using simple dots to see where it would go. Let me know what you think. They're quite a departure from my usual so I don't really know how they'll be received. JeeExEll, Mrs6C and Zelandeth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Wiggle dots ...I'm colour blind , so I read the word "Porsche " . That AR Princess logo is ace ! richardthestag and vulgalour 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilA Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I tried looking at them like stereograms. They don't work. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted August 17, 2018 Author Share Posted August 17, 2018 You have to relax your eyes, Phil, then you'll see it. PhilA and Christine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardmorris Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 You have to relax your eyes, Phil, then you'll see it. I can't see anything but dots- couldn't get any of those magic eye books from years ago either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewaster Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Wiggle dots makes me think of the test card for some reason. Brodders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloth in a bowl Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 I like the new style, I wonder if the hourglass would look better with twice the amount of sand in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 It's been a while hasn't it? That whole copyright thing knocked me back a bit and I focused on other areas of my work, which has been keeping me busy. I've really struggled to find anything concrete at all regarding car artwork, it's something nobody seems to know a clear answer to, partly because copyright etc. seems deliberately vague. Even professional automotive artists much further up the pecking order than me don't know. Solution? Avoid the companies that don't like me doing art of their stuff and continue to focus on the weird and wonderful. Don't do anything that's under 10 years old. Sorted. The company in question that kicked all this off is Jaguar Land Rover. I don't do much of their stuff anyway so it's not huge loss, but going forward I will not be creating ANY Jaguar or Land Rover related artwork. That extends to all their products past and present. Apologies to anyone that might have wanted something of theirs, you'll have to find another way to get it now. So now you know. Anyway, I stuck a Bricklin through the shop window today. Enjoy! https://www.redbubble.com/people/angylroper/works/34500600-bricklin?asc=u Supernaut, wuvvum, Pillock and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skattrd Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 So the RRC picture I've got is going to be worth loads* if you're not doing any more of the marque. AMC Rebel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulgalour Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 If you really want to cash in, keep hold of it until I'm dead. Stuff is always worth LOADS more once the artist is dead. Pillock, The Reverend Bluejeans, AMC Rebel and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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