Lockerbie 19 years on ...

[Electric Leyland]

It was a terrible tragedy and no mistake.

 

But 19 years on and Lockerbie plane debris is rotting away in a scrapyard.

 

Quite why it is there, 19 years after the atrocity, is shrouded in mystery.

 

The remains, hidden away in rural Lincolnshire, include the twisted nose section of the Boeing 747 that became the most haunting image of the bombing.

 

 

The remains of Pan Am flight 103 are still in Roger Windley's scrapyard in rural Lincolnshire. The wreckage was transported to Windley's salvage scrapyard near Tattershall shortly afterwards.

 

Since then, it is believed the firm has been paid about £800 a month to store it.

 

 

But what the handbag goat partridge underfelt is that?

 

RR Camargue? Ferrari 400i? Fiat 130 Coupe?

 

[fiatdaft]

bizzare eh,looks ferrari 400 ish to me.

[seth]

Ferrari I reckon.I wonder if the plane debris is still considered as evidence?

[Ratdat]

Curious how it ended up at Windleys. It's not far from me and I've been there loads of times but not seen the wreckage as it's not actually at the scrapyard. It's not far away... just near the adjacent go-karting track. Windleys do have some pretty cool bit's of aircraft and old military stuff lurking over a bank at the back of the scrapyard though. One thing I'd love to liberate from there is a Lycoming turbocharged flat six that's just lying on the ground. There was also a Coventry Climax fire pump (Imp engine). There'a few jet engines laying about the place too.

[Electric Leyland]

Yeah I think youre right. Fancy scrapyard! The press says that under law the yard was not allowed to dispose of the wreckage until the case was closed. It's six years since Libyan Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi was found guilty of the bombing, although he has been granted a second appeal.Mr Windley said police had told him not to discuss the matter.He even refused to confirm the wreckage was in his care.No one at Dumfries and Galloway Police was available to comment yesterday.Representatives from Autoshite confirmed this evening it was the remains of a Ferrari 400i nearby.

[M'coli]

YThe press says that under law the yard was not allowed to dispose of the wreckage until the case was closed. It's six years since Libyan Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi was found guilty of the bombing, although he has been granted a second appeal.

It'll be what is known as "retained material" in the same sense that material like murder weapons and victim's clothing are retained for up to 30 years or more after the crime. It's this sort of thing that allows cold cases to be reviewed and convictions secured for things like the Lesley Molseed murder etc..

[Electric Leyland]

YThe press says that under law the yard was not allowed to dispose of the wreckage until the case was closed. It's six years since Libyan Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi was found guilty of the bombing, although he has been granted a second appeal.

It'll be what is known as "retained material" in the same sense that material like murder weapons and victim's clothing are retained for up to 30 years or more after the crime. It's this sort of thing that allows cold cases to be reviewed and convictions secured for things like the Lesley Molseed murder etc..

Didn't Peter Sutcliffe drive a Hilman Hunter or something.....? :roll:I know the incorrect identification of his cars was a major factor in how he was at large for so long. What did he drive again? Something Hunter/Sceptre/Corsair based along the way?

[Volksy]

Here it is on google earth, Ferrari seems to have gone now.Click

[AXrescuer]

Here it is on google earth, Ferrari seems to have gone now.Click

Most likely wasn't there yet. Google Earth images are usually 3 - 4 years old!

[Twiggy]

Sorry to be an anorak, but it was 20 years ago, on the 21st December 1988, that the Lockerbie bombing occurred. May all the victims R.I.P.

[fotorabia]

I was living in Boston when it happened and the majority of the victims lived in the New England area..when i came back to Scotland in 89 you could still see the devastation from the motorway..the whole story stunk of secret service conspiracy..MI6..CIA..suitcases of heroin..falsified death certificates..and the evidence against the Libyans was based on some dodgey tailor informant in Malta..the bomb was either loaded on in London or Frankfurt [the timing device was East German]...and probably went off to early cos over the Atlantic would have been far more convenient..

[mk2_craig]

I was ten at the time and the family was flying that day Jersey-Scotland to visit relatives for Xmas. Needless to say the grandparents were all freaking out about the plane that had crash landed before they realised it wasn't ours.

[Albert Ross]

I drove past the wreckage on the A74 on the very night of the Kegworth crash. I had to stop in a layby just past Lockerbie, and there were about thirty cars parked up, most of the people in them were doing the same as me. (Roaring their hearts out) I then picked up a hitch hiker at Carlisle, who was going to Bristol. I was meant to be going to Leicester that night, to pick up some Land Rover parts, but diverted via the M5, and narrowly missed having a plane on my roof! What a journey that was..........

[r.welfare]

Sutcliffe drove a Rover P6B - at the time of arrest, anyway.

[CortinaDave]

Wonder what other cool motors involved in ghastly crimes are still in holding somewhere?What a waste. Wipe the blood off the dash and you're sorted. Not sure id want a murderers motor though...

[seth]

There was a murder involving an Sun-tor somewhere along the line. The guy who runs the register was contacted and an original vehicle used to help forensically compare seat materials or something.

[fotorabia]

I had an Uncle n Aunt that owned a pub in Dumfries..he drove a new Citroen CX..but was an old C""" actually...tho good taste in cars..anyway..i was living with my girlfriend in Ardnamurchan at the time ..late 1989..and Mum came round one evening and told us that Uncle [on Dads side] had shot himself..rather suprising i thought..and no invite to funeral so end of story...so i thought..in 1999 i visited my Father in Tasmania and i brought the subject up over dinner..'why did Uncle blow his brains out?'..on which Father replied 'Well thats a funny story ' to which then my Step Mum jumped in with ' Now we re not going to talk about that' of course which incited me to enquire more..Fathers retort was .."Well..apparently the first coroners report said that the ballistics conflicted with suicide'..what does that mean? i enquired..'Auntie shot Uncle 'he replied..I nearly died laughing..but Father was deadly serious.I always thought the old lady [now deceased] managed to get away with it due to the overload of work that the Dumfries police had with the Pan Am fiasco...funny eh...

[mk2_craig]

Brilliant. A good day to bury bad relatives. But what became of the CX?

[fotorabia]

Unfortunately we bailed off to Granada just after the early retirement plan Auntie pulled off..so i never found out what happened to the car!..but my the rich relatives in Glasgow always had a couple of CX Breaks for me to admire when i visited them on returns to Scotland..

[Karmann Ghiaman]

The Iranians were responsible for this particular mass murder. They were annoyed when the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian civil airliner over the Persian Gulf a few weeks earlier. There is film from the ship's bridge showing American sailors going 'Woo-hoo!' & giving high fives (they thought they had destroyed an incoming warplane). The Libyans involved were merely intermediaries, paid enormous amounts, money being no object to Iran. It was, of course, the worst terrorist atrocity against US citizens until 9/11/01.

 

By a bizarre coincidence the town of Lockerbie is mentioned in The Satanic Verses, though the aeroplane bomb in the opening of that novel is based on a Pakistani jumbo which had also been destroyed by terrorists.

 

Airline security is now much improved.

[M'coli]

Brilliant. A good day to bury bad relatives. But what became of the CX?

ROFL!

[Father Ted]

Brilliant. A good day to bury bad relatives. But what became of the CX?

ROFL!

Hey, dont - I was thinking the same thing. Dead peoples things dont really bother me. I once made damn sure the porters got one of our recently deceased off down the morgue (Rose Cottage in hospital lingo) before my break so I could use the bed and side room to have a sleep in one night shift.

[chaseracer]

Wonder what other cool motors involved in ghastly crimes are still in holding somewhere?What a waste. Wipe the blood off the dash and you're sorted. Not sure id want a murderers motor though...

Quite Raymond Morris, who committed the 'Cannock Chase murders' of three young girls in the mid-60s, drove a Farina Oxford when he was finally arrested. It was deliberately burned after he was convicted.

[CortinaDave]

I once bought a mk3 cortina 2000E that the owner had gassed himself in with the old hosepipe through the window trick.Got it for a hundred and fifty quid. Still smelt of the fumes too. I gave it a good clean and flogged it on without mentioning its grisly past and made a tidy profit.

[Richard]

I used to drive a Peugeot 505 taxi that had been involved in a fatal accident. It was a bit shorter on one side after hitting a cyclist. Most of the drivers refused to drive it, especially the one who had the accident.

[155V6]

I used to drive a MK 1 Granada Hearse.When people used to say"How can you drive that,there's been dead people in it?"I used to reply that people actually die in Ambulances,& they get used as Burger Vans & Campers

[retrogeezer]

I used to drive a Peugeot 505 taxi that had been involved in a fatal accident. It was a bit shorter on one side after hitting a cyclist. Most of the drivers refused to drive it, especially the one who had the accident.

that must have been one heavy bike.

[Richard]

It was quite a heavy cyclist. It wasn't shorter by much but the wing didn't quite go all the way to the end of the bonnet.

[Adrian_pt]

Tony Martin has a Rover 2000, same reg and colour as my old one...