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#871 OFFLINE   Mr Lobster

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:53 PM

I was going to suggest lobsters shop actually haha.

Thank you!! :mrgreen:

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:55 PM

Id just like to get one or two a month but id like to keep them more or less the same scale so they look good on display, id like to start with all the cars ive owned over the years which even tho im only 29 has been quite a lot maybe over 50? budget im not sure ? depends how much is an average cost of one ?

Definately go with 1/43 scale then. You'll have a better choice of models and they will be easier to display. Price really does vary though depending on manufacturer, you'll probably end up with models by a few different manufacturers if you want all the cars you have owned though!

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:55 PM

I need to buy more off you!I have bought one cavalier off of you.Hows the quality of Oxford 1/43?The bedford HA van in British Telecom livery is one i keep looking at....
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:57 PM

I need to buy more off you! I have bought one cavalier off of you. Hows the quality of Oxford 1/43? The bedford HA van in British Telecom livery is one i keep looking at....

They are pretty good. To be fair they are not as good as Minichamps but the HA is a reasonably decent model. Some of the Oxford stuff is very good (new MG Magnette being one) but then is more expensive. Some of the older stuff - Mini vans in particular are not that great in my opinion. But the HA is pretty good quality for the price!

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 08:59 PM

Ah thankyou for the information!Yeh the mini vans look like they have axles about 1 and a half times too big.Its a relic from their old castings i thinkI also like the CA milkfloat they do, but you dont seem to do it :( Hey regarding that Nova i pre ordered, how is corgi with delays?
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:15 PM

what cars have i had ooh theres a question, Volvo 240Ford ecsort mk3 estateVauxhall chevette saloonFord Granada 1.8Rover 820 sterlingFord orion 1.4Seat ibiza system porsheToyota corrolaVauxhall astramaxVauxhall cav mk2 glsiFord orion 1.6 lxFord escort xr3 (not i)Vw schirocoVw bettle 1300Vauxhall Astra mk2 cdiVauxhall Astra mk1 gteFord escort mk1 1300 eFord escort mk4 1600 lxFord Sierra xr4iFord sierra Xr4x4 estateVauxhall Chevette (2.0 pinto)Peugeot 405 mi16Ford fiesta xr2iFord fiesta xr2 mk2Ford fiesta mk2 1.4iFord cortina 1.6 crusadaFord granada 2.8 GhiaxVauxhall nova 1.3 srPeugeot 106 1,1Peugoet 307 hdipuegoet 206 hdiFord fiesta mk1 supersportMg midgetpuegeot 205 ctivolvo estate ? brownvolvo ? blue, big hyundai accentVw passat Lancia delta hf turboFiat chroma turboFord capri 1.6 laserFord escort xr3i cab3 0r 4 transits mk3Mini clubman 1275Ford sierra shaphire cosworth Vauxhall calibra 4x4 turboFord fiesta 1.25 freestyleFord fiesta 1,25 styleAlfa romeo 155 v6Alfa romeo 156 sellespeedFiat tipo3 ford mondeosFord escort xr3i mk5probably some iv forgot and im bored of thinking but gives you an idea, maybee not the most interesting of collections but ive had fun in them all

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:25 PM

Right here is to the best of my knowledge the current state modelwise of these. Ill let regie and lobster fill in the gaps.Volvo 240Ford ecsort mk3 estate-Not modelled.Vauxhall chevette saloon-Not modelled (weird, imagine how many people would buy it)Ford Granada 1.8-what gen? Only Mk2 and 1 have been so far, although neo are making one mk3.Rover 820 sterling-None aside from matchboxFord orion 1.4-Schabak does the MK 3 orion, rare though.Seat ibiza system porshe- not sureToyota corrola-what year? im sure someone does oneVauxhall astramax-not modelledVauxhall cav mk2 glsi-vanguards.Ford orion 1.6 lx-schabak?Ford escort xr3 (not i)Vittese, Vanguards and MinichampsVw schirocoVw bettle 1300 Loads of beetle models about!Vauxhall Astra mk2 cdi- Only Gama, but im sure someone else will make one soonVauxhall Astra mk1 gte-minichamps and perhaps schucho?Ford escort mk1 1300 e-Minichamps, Vanguards etcFord escort mk4 1600 lX-No oneFord Sierra xr4i-matchboxFord sierra Xr4x4 estate-no oneVauxhall Chevette (2.0 pinto)No onePeugeot 405 mi16-er not too sure?Ford fiesta xr2i Ixo? Ford fiesta xr2 mk2 No oneFord fiesta mk2 1.4i No oneFord cortina 1.6 crusada nearest one to this is Ixos taunus.Ford granada 2.8 Ghiax AltayaVauxhall nova 1.3 sr Vanguards one coming out decemberPeugeot 106 1,1 ixo/norev?Peugoet 307 hdipuegoet 206 hdi Norev for bothFord fiesta mk1 supersport Not sureMg midget Quite a few.... i thinkpuegeot 205 cti-Norev?volvo estate ? brownvolvo ? blue, big hyundai accentVw passat Lancia delta hf turboFiat chroma turboFord capri 1.6 laser-er has minichamps done a laser? Vanguards have only done the 3.0s and 2.8 Ford escort xr3i cab3 0r 4 transits mk3Mini clubman 1275Ford sierra shaphire cosworth- Vanguards Vauxhall calibra 4x4 turboFord fiesta 1.25 freestyleFord fiesta 1,25 styleAlfa romeo 155 v6Alfa romeo 156 sellespeedFiat tipo3 ford mondeos MinichampsFord escort xr3i mk5 No one..........yetfill in the gaps guysSomeone will make a chevette soon, Most probably Vanguards.
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:34 PM

Right here is to the best of my knowledge the current state modelwise of these. Ill let regie and lobster fill in the gaps.
Volvo 240
Ford ecsort mk3 estate-Not modelled.
Vauxhall chevette saloon-Not modelled (weird, imagine how many people would buy it)
Ford Granada 1.8-what gen? Only Mk2 and 1 have been so far, although neo are making one mk3.
Rover 820 sterling-None aside from matchbox
Ford orion 1.4-Schabak does the MK 3 orion, rare though.
Seat ibiza system porshe- not sure Minichamps?
Toyota corrola-what year? im sure someone does one
Vauxhall astramax-not modelled
Vauxhall cav mk2 glsi-vanguards.
Ford orion 1.6 lx-schabak?
Ford escort xr3 (not i)Vittese, Vanguards and Minichamps
Vw schiroco Minichamps
Vw bettle 1300 Loads of beetle models about!
Vauxhall Astra mk2 cdi- Only Gama, but im sure someone else will make one soon
Vauxhall Astra mk1 gte-minichamps and perhaps schucho?
Ford escort mk1 1300 e-Minichamps, Vanguards etc
Ford escort mk4 1600 lX-No one
Ford Sierra xr4i-matchbox
Ford sierra Xr4x4 estate-no one
Vauxhall Chevette (2.0 pinto)No one
Peugeot 405 mi16-er not too sure? Majorette
Ford fiesta xr2i Ixo?
Ford fiesta xr2 mk2 No one
Ford fiesta mk2 1.4i No one
Ford cortina 1.6 crusada nearest one to this is Ixos taunus.
Ford granada 2.8 Ghiax Altaya
Vauxhall nova 1.3 sr Vanguards one coming out december
Peugeot 106 1,1 ixo/norev?
Peugoet 307 hdi
puegoet 206 hdi Norev for both
Ford fiesta mk1 supersport Not sure
Mg midget Quite a few.... i think
puegeot 205 cti-Norev?
volvo estate ? brown
volvo ? blue, big
hyundai accent
Vw passat
Lancia delta hf turbo
Fiat chroma turbo
Ford capri 1.6 laser-er has minichamps done a laser? Vanguards have only done the 3.0s and 2.8
Ford escort xr3i cab
3 0r 4 transits mk3
Mini clubman 1275
Ford sierra shaphire cosworth- Vanguards
Vauxhall calibra 4x4 turbo
Ford fiesta 1.25 freestyle
Ford fiesta 1,25 style
Alfa romeo 155 v6
Alfa romeo 156 sellespeed
Fiat tipo
3 ford mondeos Minichamps
Ford escort xr3i mk5 No one..........yet

fill in the gaps guys
Someone will make a chevette soon, Most probably Vanguards.



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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:44 PM

what cars have i had ooh theres a question, Volvo 240 = Minichamps Ford ecsort mk3 estate = no chance Vauxhall chevette saloon = no chance Ford Granada 1.8 = which one? With that engine I'm guessing MkIII - Neo have just produced a nice looking one. Rover 820 sterling = MkI? White metal Ford orion 1.4 = which one? MkI = IXO, MkII(?) = Schabak Seat ibiza system porshe = which one? MkI = IXO, MkII = Doorkey, MkIII = nobody, MkIV = IXO, MkV = IXO (I think) Toyota corrola = which one? There's the bug eyed one by Vitesse in hatch or liftback form, the one after that Minichamps Vauxhall astramax = AHC Pilen Vauxhall cav mk2 glsi = Vanguards, Gama Ford orion 1.6 lx = Schabak or IXO Ford escort xr3 (not i) = Vanguards, Minichamps Vw schiroco = MkI - Minichamps, MkII - Conrad, Norev, Neo Vw bettle 1300 = Minichamps, Eagle's Race, loads of possibilities here Vauxhall Astra mk2 cdi = Gama, Minichamps on the way Vauxhall Astra mk1 gte = no GTE AFAIK, but normal there is Gama, Minichamps, Schuco Ford escort mk1 1300 e = Vanguards, Minichamps Ford escort mk4 1600 lx = nobody Ford Sierra xr4i = in 1/43?? Solido, that's about it I'm afraid Ford sierra Xr4x4 estate = no chance Vauxhall Chevette (2.0 pinto) = forget it Peugeot 405 mi16 = Norev Ford fiesta xr2i = MkI? Minichamps Ford fiesta xr2 mk2 = Nope, IXO do a straight hatch Ford fiesta mk2 1.4i = see above Ford cortina 1.6 crusada = MkV Cortina? Nearest is a MkV Taunus by IXO Ford granada 2.8 Ghiax = MkII? IXO save the day again Vauxhall nova 1.3 sr = Gama, Minichamps, Schuco, Vanguards on the way Peugeot 106 1,1 = Vitesse, Norev Peugoet 307 hdi = Solido, Norev puegoet 206 hdi = Norev Ford fiesta mk1 supersport = forget it. XR2 = Minichamps, normal = Minichamps, Solido, Detail Cars, 1300 Sport = Detail Cars Mg midget = Detail Cars puegeot 205 cti = Minichamps volvo estate ? brown = Specifics? Minichamps can help with a 240 & a 740 volvo ? blue, big = see above hyundai accent = no-one I know of Vw passat = MkI? Minichamps, Schuco (old style), MkII? Conrad, IXO Lancia delta hf turbo = IXO, Vitesse, Sun Star Fiat chroma turbo = non turbo = Norev Ford capri 1.6 laser = no 1.6 but Vanguards, Minichamps, IXO, Neo can help you with all Capris Ford escort xr3i cab = Minichamps 3 0r 4 transits mk3 = Not sure about MkIIIs = Spark?? Mini clubman 1275 = Spark Ford sierra shaphire cosworth = Vanguards Vauxhall calibra 4x4 turbo = Don't know about Turbo but Gama & Minichamps can give you a Calibra Ford fiesta 1.25 freestyle = MkIV? Minichamps Ford fiesta 1,25 style = see above Alfa romeo 155 v6 = Minichamps Alfa romeo 156 sellespeed = Minichamps, Solido Fiat tipo = Bburago, Giocher, Brumm(?) 3 ford mondeos = Minichamps Ford escort xr3i mk5 = Don't think there's an XR3i but Schabak do a MkV hatch & estate

All the above are just based on what's available in 1/43, didn't look at other scales as you wanted them uniform. :wink:

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:48 PM

Has anyone noticed how oxford and corgi seem to be copying each otherI bet you corgi make a HA van next.Nice gap filling regIs there really a mk2 astra ( or kadett) coming out by minichamps soon?Ill stump up for that
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:54 PM

Has anyone noticed how oxford and corgi seem to be copying each other I bet you corgi make a HA van next.

They have... in 1/76!! m0rris

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 09:56 PM

I know, which is bizzare, they used to model everything in 1/43 first then 1/76, although i presume the hornby takeover has changed that.Itll come in 1.43 though, for surethey should make a sherpa, Im not stumping up £22 for a lions toys one.
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:01 PM

Nice gap filling reg
Is there really a mk2 astra ( or kadett) coming out by minichamps soon?
Ill stump up for that

Another couple of models that were pledged in a catalogue years ago & still haven't materialised!

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By the sounds of it there's a GSI & GSI Cabriolet on the way too!

http://www.diecasts.biz/minichamp.htm

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:04 PM

I know, which is bizzare, they used to model everything in 1/43 first then 1/76, although i presume the hornby takeover has changed that. Itll come in 1.43 though, for sure they should make a sherpa, Im not stumping up £22 for a lions toys one.

I can't understand why they haven't tarted up the 'Motoring Memories' MkI Escort van & given us that as a Vanguards, it'd be the only one on the market until someone else steps up to the mark! I'm not 100% happy with the look of the Oxford HA so I'd be happy for someone else to have a crack at it for comparison purposes!

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:10 PM

yeh thats a good point, why not do escort vans? Imagine the liveries on the Mk 1 and 3 possible!Same with the sherpa though, so many liveriesAnd seeing as they have made them so limited now, they hardly wont be able to shift them all.It seems to have made values go through the roof as well.
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:10 PM

By the sounds of it there's a GSI & GSI Cabriolet on the way too!

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:14 PM

Crying out for Escort estate models too for every single Escort apart from the MkV (Schabak)! Come on manufacturers, listen up - it's a very poor show! :roll:

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:18 PM

Regie have you noticed how they appear to be copying each other now?Surely, if they just look at the models not ever made, itll do really well.for exampleRover 800Morris ItalCavalier Mk1Austin MetroEscort Mk4s, all generations of estate and van.Vauxhall chevetteActual Mk 4 and 5 cortina models.Ford sierra MK 1 road version, not performance or race.Those are the ones i want!Anyway those minichamps Kadette/astras look bloody good, whenever theyre out, im on it.
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:48 PM

Regie have you noticed how they appear to be copying each other now?

Minichamps & Neo seem to normally go for subjects not chosen by others unlike like companies like Vanguards who seem intent on doing their own versions of cars plenty of other companies have already given us. I groaned when I saw they were going to do the MkI Escort when Trofeu & Minichamps had already given us decent examples in recent years - I thought 'what's the point? They won't be able to compete for the price, they'll just shoot themselves in the foot getting compared with some more expensive competitors!' Have to take my hat off to them though, their representation of the MkI Escort is my favourite, to me it is the best likeness & for that I am thankful they produced it! :D

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 10:54 PM

Well i have the Mexico police version in the post to me (i would hope) so ill soon seeMy initial reaction was the same actually!Planning on getting any of the forthcoming releases of theirs?
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Posted 25 August 2009 - 11:11 PM

I'll be poring over all of the Talbot Sunbeam models when they come out as they're one of my favourite cars - they must have read my mind, as being that they were churned out from a factory in Scotland (Linwood) I felt like suggesting to Corgi that they would be a good model to make as there is a lot of potential in it plus it's technically British! At the time I was thinking about it, IXO had not done theirs, so yet again Vanguards have brought something to the table that has been done by somebody else. Only 1 other company though & because we had to wait so long for a Talbot Sunbeam model from anyone, I think it's fitting that more than one company now wants to offer one!No such problem with the Nova though, as we now have several companies producing them, albeit we also had to wait a while for those. I should think I'll buy at least one though, in a different colour / spec to the ones I already have from Minichamps if poss!Still want that blue & white Avenger! 8)

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 11:20 PM

Its the same for me, Ill probably buy the police Talbot and the im getting that red nova off lobster when its out.They are releasing a Legacy for the mcrae collection next year, the MK 1 Saloon versionHopefully make a road version too!That would be the first model of that i reckon.......You should get the blue and white avenger!Hey i just found a website selling that 'life on mars' cortina by vanguards for £11.75Good investment perhaps......
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Posted 26 August 2009 - 03:59 AM

They are releasing a Legacy for the mcrae collection next year, the MK 1 Saloon version Hopefully make a road version too! That would be the first model of that i reckon....... Hey i just found a website selling that 'life on mars' cortina by vanguards for £11.75 Good investment perhaps......

Auto Art did a 1999 Subaru Legacy B4 in black, gold or silver and it always seems to go cheap if that's any use? http://toys.shop.eba... ... osacat=222 What site is that? PM me if you prefer...

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 05:20 AM

I also like the CA milkfloat they do, but you dont seem to do it :( Hey regarding that Nova i pre ordered, how is corgi with delays?

We have had the CA Milkfloat, I'll se if we can still get them or if they are NLA. Corgi Novas are due October (I think, but it is early!)

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 05:29 AM

Nice gap filling reg
Is there really a mk2 astra ( or kadett) coming out by minichamps soon?
Ill stump up for that

Another couple of models that were pledged in a catalogue years ago & still haven't materialised!

http://www.diecasts.biz/images/M/400/045...

http://www.diecasts.biz/images/M/400/045...

By the sounds of it there's a GSI & GSI Cabriolet on the way too!

http://www.diecasts.biz/minichamp.htm
Still no delivery date from Minichamps for these. There is a Kadett SR due out next week but it's the same shape as a Mk1 Astra, not sure if that makes it a Kadett C or D though.

Astra / Kadett GSi is a mystery - haven't seen that on a Minichamps new release schedule for even early 2010. Will investigate...

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 08:16 AM

MkII Astra is the Kadett EMkI Astra is the Kadett DI'd be very interested in any sporty variant of the Kadett D if there's one coming!

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 08:41 AM

The Kadett D SR in white is due out in the next week or so...

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 08:55 AM

thanks everyone, cant wait to get started tbh 8)

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 09:46 AM

thanks everyone, cant wait to get started tbh 8)

Cool 8) I'm lucky I guess in that it is something I'm interested in but also our business. Just to update your list though...

what cars have i had ooh theres a question,
Volvo 240 = Minichamps
Ford ecsort mk3 estate = no chance
Vauxhall chevette saloon = no chance
Ford Granada 1.8 = which one? With that engine I'm guessing MkIII - Neo have just produced a nice looking one.
Rover 820 sterling = MkI? White metal
Ford orion 1.4 = which one? MkI = IXO, MkII(?) = Schabak
Seat ibiza system porshe = which one? MkI = IXO, MkII = Doorkey, MkIII = nobody, MkIV = IXO, MkV = IXO (I think)
Toyota corrola = which one? There's the bug eyed one by Vitesse in hatch or liftback form, the one after that Minichamps
Vauxhall astramax = AHC Pilen
Vauxhall cav mk2 glsi = Vanguards, Gama
Ford orion 1.6 lx = Schabak or IXO
Ford escort xr3 (not i) = Vanguards, Minichamps
Vw schiroco = MkI - Minichamps, MkII - Conrad, Norev, Neo
Vw bettle 1300 = Minichamps, Eagle's Race, loads of possibilities here
Vauxhall Astra mk2 cdi = Gama, Minichamps on the way
Vauxhall Astra mk1 gte = no GTE AFAIK, but normal there is Gama, Minichamps, Schuco Minichamps Releasing Sept 09 as Kadett SR in white
Ford escort mk1 1300 e = Vanguards, Minichamps
Ford escort mk4 1600 lx = nobody
Ford Sierra xr4i = in 1/43?? Solido, that's about it I'm afraid
Ford sierra Xr4x4 estate = no chance
Vauxhall Chevette (2.0 pinto) = forget it
Peugeot 405 mi16 = Norev
Ford fiesta xr2i = MkI? Minichamps
Ford fiesta xr2 mk2 = Nope, IXO do a straight hatch
Ford fiesta mk2 1.4i = see above
Ford cortina 1.6 crusada = MkV Cortina? Nearest is a MkV Taunus by IXO
Ford granada 2.8 Ghiax = MkII? IXO save the day again
Vauxhall nova 1.3 sr = Gama, Minichamps, Schuco, Vanguards on the way
Peugeot 106 1,1 = Vitesse, Norev
Peugoet 307 hdi = Solido, Norev
puegoet 206 hdi = Norev
Ford fiesta mk1 supersport = forget it. XR2 = Minichamps, normal = Minichamps, Solido, Detail Cars, 1300 Sport = Detail Cars
Mg midget = Detail Cars
puegeot 205 cti = Minichamps
volvo estate ? brown = Specifics? Minichamps can help with a 240 & a 740
volvo ? blue, big = see above
hyundai accent = no-one I know of Only seen a WRC version produced for DelPrado
Vw passat = MkI? Minichamps, Schuco (old style), MkII? Conrad, IXO
Lancia delta hf turbo = IXO, Vitesse, Sun Star also HPI Racing
Fiat chroma turbo = non turbo = Norev
Ford capri 1.6 laser = no 1.6 but Vanguards, Minichamps, IXO, Neo can help you with all Capris
Ford escort xr3i cab = Minichamps
3 0r 4 transits mk3 = Not sure about MkIIIs = Spark??
Mini clubman 1275 = Spark
Ford sierra shaphire cosworth = Vanguards
Vauxhall calibra 4x4 turbo = Don't know about Turbo but Gama & Minichamps can give you a Calibra
Ford fiesta 1.25 freestyle = MkIV? Minichamps
Ford fiesta 1,25 style = see above
Alfa romeo 155 v6 = Minichamps Norev do std 155 TS
Alfa romeo 156 sellespeed = Minichamps, Solido
Fiat tipo = Bburago, Giocher, Brumm, (?) Norev do Polizia version
3 ford mondeos = Minichamps
Ford escort xr3i mk5 = Don't think there's an XR3i but Schabak do a MkV hatch & estate

Some of these are now NLA so might take a bit of finding but should be available one way or another. A lot of more popular models by Minichamps - particularly Fords - do tend to sell out quite quickly so it pays to be quick :D

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 11:06 AM

its a first generation legacy, like this one, that vanguards are making

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Is that off a Maestro, Montego or a Metro?
DUNNO!




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