pogweasel Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Anyone seen the new Peugeot advert for it's 'green' cars. Also starring an elderly 505 Wagon. I bet I know which will have a lower 'carbon footprint' over it's entire lifecycle. 308, in the scrappys after less than 10 years...505.... most likely still going strong as a Mombassa Minicab in 2050. Also features an apparntly wind-powered 405, hope you are taking notes, W.Relfare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milford Cubicle Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I liked the 'inspired by nature' 308 ad greatly. I don't think anything in nature is as ugly as the Peugeot 308.Can't find the environment one online, but it sounds equally rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogweasel Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 INSIPID BY NATURE would have been better. But for now... http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/manatee.bmp^308^ ^Ugly nature^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogweasel Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Ahh turds. That didn't work then. Bloody .bmp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milford Cubicle Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I copied 'n' pasted it, the manatee is still approximately 117% more attractive than the Peugeot 308. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.welfare Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Pay attention Pog! That 308 turdwagon passes not one but TWO 405s at the end (plus the 505); can't remember what each one has on it, but as you say one is wind-powered. Obv. I am taking notes if TD power becomes too much for me to bear.Incidentally I found a 505 Family in my local scrappy a while ago, just arrived on an F-plate with 2-litre petrol/autobox combo; it saddened me to see it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M'coli Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 INSIPID BY NATURE would have been better. But for now... http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/manatee.bmp^308^ ^Ugly nature^Still think it looks like this:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Incidentally I found a 505 Family in my local scrappy a while ago, just arrived on an F-plate with 2-litre petrol/autobox combo; it saddened me to see it there.Shoulda pulled it out and bayed it! £650 for an un-MOT'd shitter is no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.welfare Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Damn! I wonder if it's still there, can't imagine people are poring over it to remove bits of trim like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micky0604 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Greatï¼Â---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never, never, never, never give up.While there is life there is hope. Nothing is impossible! world of warcraft powerleveling wow power leveling wow powerleveling warcraft power leveling warcraft powerleveling ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michiel Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Will someone on management level shoot this dorkbot already? Pliz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mash Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I had to chuckle when I saw they are calling this range of "green" cars Blue Lion.Now that's a totally original name that doesn't sound anything like VW's Blue Motion. FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 hey've all got blue in the name - 'AdBlue', 'BlueTec', 'BlueMotion', 'Blue Lion', 'Bluebird', 'Blue Riband', 'The Blues Brothers' and 'ol' blue eyes' amongst others. Its cos of the emissions technology they have, it uses this blue stuff as an additive which is squirted into the exhaust.http://www.volvo.com/group/scr/en-gb/SC ... _works.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompei Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 http://www.volvo.com/group/scr/en-gb/SC ... _works.htmIsn't urea just P!55? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Bo11ox Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 I believe it is related to 'unwanted cider' but if we are reaching an age in motoring where you can save money by emptying your anaconda into the tank of your Mercedes 320CDi i'll be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompei Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Which reminds me. I saw an ad a while ago making grand claims about running your car on water. According to the wireless, this is about passing an electric current through a piece of metal submerged in water, which will result in a small amount of hydrogen being created. Electrolysis, I think, though I dropped physics at school...So I'm now fitting the bathtub on the back seat with some Ever Readies and a Lidl carrier to catch the gas, before piping it into the engine ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy Jeff Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 How much do reckon topping up the blue piss fluid on your new eco-friendly Peugeot diseasal is going to cost when it goes in for it's first service? Something tells me it will be quite extortionate for what is, in essence, a bottle of piss and blue food colouring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Lobster Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 11, 2008 Share Posted August 11, 2008 How much do reckon topping up the blue piss fluid on your new eco-friendly Peugeot diseasal is going to cost when it goes in for it's first service? Something tells me it will be quite extortionate for what is, in essence, a bottle of piss and blue food colouring.About £225 I believe, but I think Peugeot use something called Eloys fluid, which isn't made of piss apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.welfare Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 And I also believe it stops working properly if you don't go out and cane the car regularly...which sort-of goes against the whole economy/CO2 thing, in my book.Bring back the B-series, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spottedlaurel Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 All this stuff is far too reliant on high-tech solutions, I fear the day when stuff up to the mid-90s is no longer readily available or suitable for our daily driver duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milford Cubicle Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 And I also believe it stops working properly if you don't go out and cane the car regularly...which sort-of goes against the whole economy/CO2 thing, in my book.Bring back the B-series, I say.Or the XUD? :)I reckon the last 'simple' new car available was the Rover 25... I suppose most petrol engines are still fairly simple, but diesels have gone a bit common rail/emissions crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.welfare Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 The reliance on electronics is the issue. These things have to be built - and then built in - to very tight tolerances, or else you get mayhem later on. Compare the Fabia we have just sold, which regularly put on it's engine management light (and went into "limp mode") for no good reason, with the Accord which has the same level of electrickery, but just works well.Plus all this CANbus/body electronics controller business is a pain in the arse. I wanted to put a secondhand leather interior into the Accord - much more resilient when baby pukes on it y'see - but you can only get them with fully-electric front seats. Which my car doesn't currently have, and my resident auto electrician says it's more than just a case of finding a 12V and earth source to get them to work - something to do with the body controller. When you think of the number of separate computers that you have in today's executive cars - and even "older" stuff like the last 7 series and W140 S-Class - it's just a ticking time bomb before you are off the road and down to the scrapyard. Interestingly, from the eBay thread, I had no idea W140s had become so cheap - but to my mind one would only work for me as a "drive it until something breaks then scrap it" approach, which would be a shame. If I was in the market for such a car, it would be an LS400 every time. Or a Honda Legend, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScrapman Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 W140 S-Class - it's just a ticking time bomb before you are off the road and down to the scrapyard. Interestingly, from the eBay thread, I had no idea W140s had become so cheap - but to my mind one would only work for me as a "drive it until something breaks then scrap it" approach, which would be a shame.Disagree. The W140 is the last big Benz you can maintain yourself. Christ, if I can run one, anyone can! In fact, it's the best of both worlds. Simple module based electronics that are logical and simple to diagnose. (Easy to follow block diagrams available on the net) If you can't diagnose by sight, you simply plug an LED into a couple of pins on the diagnostic plug, short another two together and the LED will flash the OBD error code out to you. Codes available at any good Benz website. Ah good, that intermittant misfire is caused by injector 7. Fixed!Agreed, it's not carbeurettor simple, but assuming you have some level of mechanical competancy, there is no need to be scared of a w140, they are fantastic (albeit bland looking) cars capable of intergalactic milage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.welfare Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Well, I stand corrected - although from what I have seen (online) of your abilities, I think you may be doing yourself an injustice on your skills! I am, however, impressed that you can coax 33mpg out of an S280 - dammit, that's almost as good as I can get out of my wife's Accord which is a full litre smaller in engine capacity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScrapman Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 Well, I stand corrected - although from what I have seen (online) of your abilities, I think you may be doing yourself an injustice on your skills! I am, however, impressed that you can coax 33mpg out of an S280 - dammit, that's almost as good as I can get out of my wife's Accord which is a full litre smaller in engine capacity...Hey, I'm just a hapless arse who can blob stuff together with a welder. It's not exactly skilled..."Coax" is definately the word here - 65mph max and never higher than 3500rpm, but it does indeed genuinely do 33mpg. Mind you the S280 has a 0-60 time measured on a calendar, making it horrible to live with on a daily basis. Reckon the S320 has to best in terms of usability and efficiency. All the v8's are shite on fuel, but sound fantastic!Isn't it great that £80k motors are fetching fish and chip money now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r.welfare Posted August 12, 2008 Share Posted August 12, 2008 It is, mind you I suppose aged luxury tackle has always been relatively cheap - Jags spring to mind as the best example. One can only assume that the road tax changes will make the newer stuff quicker to orbit Shite World, but having said that I've read an awful lot of horror stories on 1996-2005 Merc reliability and rusting (!) on carsurvey.org.I'd still bottle it and buy an old Lexus - but I agree that finding a luxobarge that has been well looked-after and is worth something like 2-3% of it's original selling price means more to me than owning a new one. Incidentally, you make maintaining a W140 sound as simple as the 3-litre Omega I used to run, which is making me think about having a quick shufty onto eBay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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