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#121 ONLINE   phil_lihp

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 09:13 PM

I might have to try that chrome tape repair on mine, its first trip to the jetwash removed quite a lot of the remaining chrome covering, I'd almost be tempted to remove the strips entirely but I don't think the car's sides are straight enough for it to get away with that!



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Posted 18 December 2016 - 08:09 PM

I stumbled across this on YouTube - a BBC1 documentary about the making of the XJ40 from 1986. The public information film and shutdown at the end of the video is quite nostalgic!

 

 

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 09:05 PM

I used to have my XJ-S fixed in the late eighties by Hartwell Jaguar on Botley Road in Oxford - long gone now, flattened and replaced no doubt by a World of Shite megastore. I took it in once with leaking diff seals and non working A/C. The Jag specialists were to a man a set of herberts - no ta.

 

I'd bought all the panels and bits there to restore it and got to know the techs. So it was in there, both output shaft oil seals shagged and worse, the shafts heavily pitted. No problem though - two 'new' shafts liberated from a diff going back to Browns Lane under warranty. No charge.

 

The AC fault was a blocked filter and a couple on loosened unions - two hours work and a gas up - fixed.

 

Paid the bill - about £500 in 1990. Got it home, opened the bonnet and found that the shitty old cam cover gaskets had been replaced with new ones - no charge.

 

I wrote to Jaguar Cars Ltd expressing my delight with the service from Hartnell and received a nice reply from the service director.

 

This was when main dealers could still give the personal touch and help you out. Long gone now I suspect.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 09:35 PM

Not sure why I've not read this thread before - but it's warmed the cockles of my heart :) With so many banger raced, scrapped or broken up, this is so nice to see.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:37 PM

Not sure why I've not read this thread before - but it's warmed the cockles of my heart :) With so many banger raced, scrapped or broken up, this is so nice to see.

 

 

They went through a long period when almost no one wanted one and they were practically valueless - and were scrapped for the most trivial reasons and widely raced. But there seems to be a bit more interest in them now and the number of XJ40s on the road is no longer plunging like it once was. It's just as well - or there wouldn't be any left at all! :D


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 10:53 PM

Not read this before, so glad I did and what a credit to you it is.

I am glad there are people who look after their cars to this standard, that engine bay is like new!


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:41 AM

I used to have my XJ-S fixed in the late eighties by Hartwell Jaguar on Botley Road in Oxford - long gone now, flattened and replaced no doubt by a World of Shite megastore. I took it in once with leaking diff seals and non working A/C. The Jag specialists were to a man a set of herberts - no ta.

I'd bought all the panels and bits there to restore it and got to know the techs. So it was in there, both output shaft oil seals shagged and worse, the shafts heavily pitted. No problem though - two 'new' shafts liberated from a diff going back to Browns Lane under warranty. No charge.

The AC fault was a blocked filter and a couple on loosened unions - two hours work and a gas up - fixed.

Paid the bill - about £500 in 1990. Got it home, opened the bonnet and found that the shitty old cam cover gaskets had been replaced with new ones - no charge.

I wrote to Jaguar Cars Ltd expressing my delight with the service from Hartnell and received a nice reply from the service director.

This was when main dealers could still give the personal touch and help you out. Long gone now I suspect.


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 12:50 PM

I too missed most of this thread. Its quite brilliant.

 

I joined the Jaguar drivers club' facebook page the other day. What a mistake that was. It's mainly a bunch of powerfully built company directors bragging about cars that they probably don't even own and pay more than my mortgage to lease each month.

 

I love what you are saying on the previous page.

 

The '40 represents the good old days for Jag dealers - before the S and X type changed the customer base and transformed everything from low volume service orientated job, to volume business looking after rep's cars.[.......]the cars are no longer a premium product. Jaguars are a volume product now, covering the market segment once inhabited by the Cortina and Sierra - just as BMW and Mercedes now are.

 

If I get pissed I might put that point of view on there, along with the fact that until I joined the page I genuinely thought that the Jaguar XE was a Mazda 6. I don't intend on hanging around so may as well get kicked off PU51 DRY styleee.

 

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I wasn't aware that an XE was a thing and was wondering if I had joined the wrong group at first. At least the S type and the X type tried to look like Jags.

 

The current XJ might not look like an old school Jag but is at least ugly enough to stand out on the road and have some presence like a premium car should, not just blend into the background with all the other cars.

 

Anyhow, once again that was a great read and the car looks amazing. Much jealousy.

 


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 02:45 AM

I stumbled across this on YouTube - a BBC1 documentary about the making of the XJ40 from 1986. The public information film and shutdown at the end of the video is quite nostalgic!

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=oQxCCd7Wy8Q

 

 

The days when the BBC would, for some reason, broadcast a 30 minute Jaguar advertisement. 


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 09:05 AM

Marvellous documentary find. You forget how protracted the XJ40 development was; my mind was blown when they removed the camo in the '83 test and the styling was spot on, but then it would be if they were aiming originally at an '84 launch. LOL'd a bit at Egan's final words: "we could have launched something that looked like this in '84, but it wouldn't have been built like this". Wonder what early XJ40 adopters made of that.
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Posted 20 December 2016 - 10:47 AM

The days when the BBC would, for some reason, broadcast a 30 minute Jaguar advertisement. 

 

funnily enough Director General had just taken delivery of his new XJ40... *

 

* possibly :D


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 11:24 AM



Marvellous documentary find. You forget how protracted the XJ40 development was; my mind was blown when they removed the camo in the '83 test and the styling was spot on, but then it would be if they were aiming originally at an '84 launch. LOL'd a bit at Egan's final words: "we could have launched something that looked like this in '84, but it wouldn't have been built like this". Wonder what early XJ40 adopters made of that.

 

Amazingly, the XJ40's development began in 1972 - but was delayed many times by BL in-fighting and lack of funds.

 

 

Here it is in 1977 (with William Lyons)

 

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And how it looked at the beginning of 1981:

 

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And in 1980:

 

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My dad was one of the 'early adopters', buying one of the first cars. He had a bit of trouble with it, but nothing like the catastrophe the XJ40 legend would suggest. It did have a lot of warranty work done on it - I remember several BFM replacements and work being done on the rear suspension and the car managing to display the full smorgasbord of false fail warnings on a trip to Oxford once, but the early cars suffered annoying faults rather than the sort of problem which would strand you. Besides, I don't think people's expectations of reliability were nearly as high then as they are now - people expected to have some 'Teething troubles'. If it was any consolation to my late dad, his new XJ40 was considerably more reliable than the BMW it replaced. That had a load of electrical problems from new which were never solved. Reliability didn't come as standard in the eighties!  :)


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 11:47 AM

the 40 is definitely a car that has grown into its looks

 

I remember fuss at the time of launch about silly things such as the lack of curves of the SIII, the rear door profile not biting a chunk out of the d post like every Jaguar saloon ever had featured. And that dash

 

My boss had one of the first povo spec 2.9s with cloth seats. It was a fine ride but not exactly earth shattering like his old 3 litre senator.

 

a 40 has been lurking on my want list for a while now. Just maybe now that dad has secured full rights to the X308 (fallen for it) which is good because Mrs Thestag would have slaughtered me and danced on my grave.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 12:44 PM

I need another Jag & I really want it to be a 4.0 XJ40.


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Posted 20 December 2016 - 01:55 PM

That 1980 picture is amazing, even the wheel design is production-perfect.

Cars in the first year of production don't seem to be such a gamble these days; I remember my uncle getting Rover to buy back his 820Se in 1986 as it had spent more time at the dealer in the first six months than on the road.
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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:37 AM

In deference to the winter we have nearly experienced in which it has looked almost like a snowflake might fall at least twice, I have fitted some all season tyres to my Jag. Well, I say all season but they are Michelin Crossclimates -  which Michelin claim are actually summer tyres but with some winter capability, whatever difference that makes.

 

http://www.tyrerevie...We-find-out.htm

 

I try to avoid driving on salted roads so Crossclimates are not necessarily the most obvious choice for me. I chose them because they have a tapering section which is useful for clearance on the rather tight front wheel wells on the XJ40 when fitting 225/60 16 tyres, especially to these 8J wheels. Some modern high performance tyres can have a very wide tread area and even a wider section than these Michelins – the 225 size is nominal - and can rub the plastic wheel well liner. Michelins – certainly the Crossclimates – are much more tapered, indeed slightly more so than the original Pirelli P4000Js and do not rub.

 

So far, I am pleased with them. They give a lot more grip than the Pirelli P4000s I have replaced – really noticeably so. Subjectively they also handle better, most particularly the steering. Modern tyres have a reputation for slushy steering because of the soft/thin sidewalls and I was slightly concerned the Crossclimates would suffer from this. But they don’t: the car feels significantly more ‘planted’ and steering response is improved over the Pirellis. This may be helped by 8J wheels which may stiffen the sidewalls of course.

 

The P4000 was a very quiet tyre for its time and continues to be competitive in this area even now, so night-and-day noise reduction running with the new tyres was unlikely. They are definitely quieter though, especially on good and moderate road surfaces, where the tyres are now almost silent. Very broken up surfaces are slightly quieter thaan the Pirellis, but the effect is less marked.

 

They ride very well too – together with the tapering section profile, reports that the CrossClimate rides well is the other factor which attracted me to them.

 

Lack of tyre availability in the original 225/65 15 size has compelled me to move up to 16” wheels with a 225/60 16 102W tyre. Gaining an inch of wheel and losing 5% of the sidewall made me concerned some of the car’s smooth and compliant ride could be lost. This is one of the best attributes of the car and I was keen to mitigate it as far as possible. I would say I have succeeded – the ride is actually improved over the Pirellis at slower speeds, and it is only apparent I have moved up a wheel size when hitting the largest potholes. They’re now possibly noisier when striking potholes than before, but feel very similar. They don’t crash though the structure like they do in many modern cars with big wheels.

 

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The tyres are unidirectional though, which means they can only be correctly fitted on one side of the car. If I need to replace a wheel on the right hand side of the car the tyre's tread will run in the wrong direction, so can only be fitted as a temporary measure. Many modern cars don't have thins problem of course, using space saver tyres. Not something Jaguar fitted!

 

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:33 AM

I didn't know you could get a 16" lattice, they are now my favourite Jag wheels.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:55 AM

I didn't know you could get a 16" lattice, they are now my favourite Jag wheels.

 

 

There are three sizes of lattice wheel - 7Jx15", 7Jx16" and 8Jx16".

 

Of the 16" wheels, the 7J type were originally fitted to the XJ-S and have an offset of 28.5, whilst the 8J type was the XJ40 wheel and has an offset of 33. Either type will fit the XJ40, but only the 7J version will fit on the front of the XJ-S (I believe the 8J will fit on the back of the XJ-S)

 

The 16" lattice wheels were forged and made for Jaguar by BBS. They're very good quality and are lighter and stronger than the cast wheels such as the Teardrops. Even though I have moved up an inch in diameter and an inch in width, I have saved 1.5 kilogrammes per wheel fitting the lattices. It's not a huge difference, but any unsprung weight reduction is always a good thing - and normally a larger wheel would mean more weight, not less.

 

These particular wheels have never been refurbished, so retain their anodised finish. Bizarrely, the way to maintain them is to rub a small amount of Vaseline into them. It really makes a big difference. Jaguar recommend this in the handbook (the 16" lattice alloy was an extra-cost option on my car) - but it is perhaps a better known treatment  in Porsche circles. A lot of Porsches have the forged and anodised Fuchs alloys.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 03:38 PM

I have had Cross Climates on two heapz and think that they are well ace.  Spenner, but worth it.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 03:53 PM

The days when the BBC would, for some reason, broadcast a 30 minute Jaguar advertisement. 

 

 

 

You wonder though how they did so much development, yet the car had so many problems such as the diff falling to bits.

 

I never liked the styling - I'll suffer a dark coloured Sovereign with the big oblong lights but the four light version was a dogs dinner and from the rear 3/4, the saggy arsed look wasn't good. The XJ40 did date very quickly - the E32 7 Series and the 1990 W140 were far more cohesive, modern designs and the 300E W124 was a real challenge.

 

I do like the X300 though - the Sport in that metallic turquoise is a really pretty car and it's what they should have launched in '86. I can't recall anyone saying that the XJ40 was better looking than a Series 3.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 04:51 PM

... I can't recall anyone saying that the XJ40 was better looking than a Series 3.

 

I do - I definitely prefer the styling of the XJ40 to the Series III. It is the roof line; Pininfarina really buggered up the sensuous profile of the Series I and II. It's a frump in comparison - the '40 is much better.

 

I concede I find  the Series I and II to be better looking cars than the XJ40 though. As an aside, I much prefer the style of the XJ-S to the E-type too.


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Posted 17 February 2017 - 11:48 PM

Yeah, to me the XJ-S is a great improvement over the E-type too.


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:08 AM

Uncle bought a 3 year old 3.6 XJ40 -D59 FYP in about 1989/90-povo spec tweed cloth interior.

 

Typical pub landlord car-he had a pub.

 

His son decided to test a bulb he was fiddling with using the battery on the Jag-£600 later the Jag was back to life.

 

About a year later it shit its autobox- Unc had it replaced at Jaguar- I remember the bill £2000.

 

Replaced it with a 3 year old Range Rover 3.5 manual which was very reliable (not joking!).

 

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:17 PM

The old beast passed its MOT without any advisories today, which was nice.


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Posted 01 March 2017 - 08:36 PM

To my mind it should be illegal to have an XJ40 without lattice alloys.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 12:57 PM

The old beast passed a big milestone the other day. It is a low mileage car for its age.

 

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And in case you are wondering why you don't see many of them now...

 

https://driventowrit...ard/#more-25587

 

 

This "Driven to write" blog has a number of excellent articles on the XJ40 - going into its development in real depth, including interviews with Jim Randle, a profile of Bob Knight - and a retrospective on the car at thirty years old. He doesn't shy away from criticising the '40, assessing it fondly, but fairly.

 

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Posted 21 June 2017 - 01:09 PM

OMG imagine how many good front wings were scrapped.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 01:34 PM

OMG imagine how many good front wings were scrapped.

 

 

Zero, probably.


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 04:28 PM

There must have been at least two good ones out of the hundreds and hundreds of cars! - Probably both right hand side and the wrong model year though...


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