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#3271 OFFLINE   vulgalour

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 03:47 PM

At the moment I've got the driver's door off and patiently working on the front wing filler bit so hopefully when I update tonight I'll have this side of the car looking somewhat reasonable.  Unless something goes wrong, of course.



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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:20 PM

Hey look, that scabby old orange door is gone!

42693481234_1bd5105a62_b.jpg20180714-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

It was a bit of a faff, as always, to fit the door.  Fortunately Mike was here to help so getting it aligned wasn't as bad as doing it myself.  Even got it opening and closing and fitting as well as the orange door it replaced, so that's a big bonus.  I didn't get everything back on, just enough to get it operational, as I still have to fit the door mirror.  It's a bit late to be drilling holes and painting raw metal edges so I'll do that bit tomorrow, for now this is fine and will keep the weather and local cats out of the car.

42693481164_00a0e0e9ca_b.jpg20180714-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The door fit about as well as it did when it came off the car, though my repairs needed a little fine* adjustment with a rubber mallet in a couple of places.  That exposed a crack on the outer door skin, presumably where the metal is a bit thin as this isn't an area I repaired on the outside.  I'll clean it back and give it a buzz of weld when I'm at the unit next, it's not a big job.

42693481054_650177080e_b.jpg20180714-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Got the B pillar gap as good as it ever gets on this car.  Good old BL panel gaps here, not a great deal you can do about them apart from live with it.

42693480964_0e25bf2b70_b.jpg20180714-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

BEHOLD!  An opening window.  Since putting the orange door on temporarily I've not been able to open this window which, let me tell you, has not been fun in the recent warm spell we've been having!  You haven't really lived until you've driven a car with untinted glass, no air conditioning, and no windows you can operate from the driver's seat while the UK is experiencing a heatwave.  It's quite something.

28540437127_ae27c0e9e9_b.jpg20180714-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Finally, the scruffy paint blend on the front wing was tidied up properly and I got the majority of the filler work done on the back edge of the wing so it's now all nice and presentable.  I'm a bit fed up of working on doors so my attention will turn to the other jobs on the car now, rather than fixing and repainting that rear door.

42693480864_fae397d6ce_b.jpg20180714-06 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Tomorrow I'll get the mirror fitted to this door and the door card reinstated, then it'll be time to give it all a much needed bath.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 06:58 PM

Today, I ended up doing some welding.  I didn't want to, but there you go.  I had gone to unbolt the nut that goes on the bottom of the driver's door mirror so I could both clean up the base easier and mark the holes for drilling in the new door easier.  Unfortunately, on the first turn of the socket it sheared the threaded end off the mirror stem without any warning nor excessive force.  Oh well, I guess that meant my easy day of fitting the mirror and washing the car would involve sweating while welding instead.  First thing I tackled at the unit was the bit of split outer skin.  This actually went very easily and when I've finished adjusting the bottom edge of the door so it sits against the sill a little nicer, I can now get all of this cleaned up and in filler properly.  For now, it's just got paint on to keep it stable.

 

42524287565_d281cbf09e_b.jpg20180715-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Inside the door I'd noticed, like on the orange spare, there were two stress cracks.  This is I think from the door having sagged in the past and needing to be slammed to close for years and it's the nearest weak point to the grab handle.  I don't think it's a design flaw that's caused this as the passenger side doors haven't suffered from it, just the front driver's.  Welded them both up, sloshed some paint on, but didn't waste time grinding it down since it won't be seen and this way it should be stronger.  The door handle did feel more secure after having done this, previously it felt like it had a bit of flex to it and now it doesn't.

28559014097_14cde5c8bb_b.jpg20180715-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Repairing the mirror stem was a fussy job.  I used a bolt that I ground the head down on and then welded to the stem.  There's a plastic insert this side where on the other stem it's just plain metal, and I couldn't get the insert off.  That made the job a bit more awkward since I was trying to avoid grinding or melting the plastic bit.  Still, on the second attempt I got the bolt somewhat like it needed to be and a trial fit on the bench proved it to be good enough.  I also used a nyloc nut on the bottom to prevent it coming undone as opposed to the plain nut that was there before and had rusted solid.

42524287435_3d4591a247_b.jpg20180715-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

I made the decision to mount the mirror slightly further back on the door this time, which means the A pillar/gutter doesn't obscure the top inner corner now.  What I also managed to do was align the top hole in the most awkward way possible so it's nearly impossible to get a nut on the back of the bolt because it sits exactly behind the window runner guide.  The other two were much easier to access.

42524286975_49dd3f7e8c_b.jpg20180715-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

41620765680_2e957576f1_b.jpg20180715-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

I also noticed the GB grille badge was not only wonky, but now loose.  To save it falling off somewhere, I popped that off and discovered it was only just held on with one of the bar clamps on the back.  The front end does look tidier without it, but I think I'll get some new fixings and reinstate it anyway because I quite like it.

42524286915_49dd3f7e8c_b.jpg20180715-06 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

After all that it got a quick bath to get rid of the filler dust but really, it was too hot and humid to do a decent job.  That was also the point I realised that after building up the inside of the door I'd totally forgotten to refit the moisture membrane.  A job for another day.  Happily, this front door now closes almost as nicely as the passenger front door and certainly better than it ever has before, so I'm quite happy about that.


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 05:16 PM

This is looking great vulg keep chipping away
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Posted 16 July 2018 - 05:58 PM

Had another petrol station moment, this thing gets almost as much attention at the pumps as high value exotica.  I love how excited people get about seeing it so much so that I offered today's admirer a sit in the driver's seat since I needed to put a fair bit of fuel in.  He was going to turn down the offer until I asked when he'd get another chance.  I hope it made his afternoon.  Now I've got things running nicer I'm getting about 24mpg around town in it which is respectable enough for what it is.  The Fuelly shows a mere 19.8 average but that's over the entire ownership of the car with all the ups and downs and fuel loss from repairs, etc.  I can quickly get that figure up if I do some motorway miles, I just haven't had any reason to for quite some time.

 

In fact, I've been so happy running the Princess I've been considering indefinitely mothballing the Rover after the house move.  I can't see myself selling the Rover, I actually like it too much to do that, but I don't really miss driving it now that the Princess is behaving.  Probably best to keep it around as a back-up, just in case.


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Posted 16 July 2018 - 07:54 PM

This might be useful to refresh your stocks:
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https://rover.ebay.c...tm/401331219949

Using voucher code PLAY20 brings it down to £17.59 posted to your door. I can't find it for cheaper anywhere else. Only seems to be that listing of fluid that it applies to and they don't seem to have much more in the way of stock left either.
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Posted 16 July 2018 - 08:40 PM

I either get Carlube or Silver Hook.  It seems to be the same product.  Carlube is cheaper at the moment but I've got 5L of Silver Hook for as little as £12 delivered before.  It's sometimes in stock at the local motorfactors too, which is handy, and I believe ECP carry the Carlube version sometimes.  It must be used in something more popular, and I've seen it listed for taxis for some reason, I'm not sure what taxi would be using it these days.



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Posted 16 July 2018 - 08:46 PM

(Car) Lube for Fake Taxi? :-D



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Posted 16 July 2018 - 09:19 PM

maybe the princesss needs a new grill badge

 

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Posted 17 July 2018 - 12:12 AM

:grin: nice idea! 

 

 

Don't sell your R8. You'd regret it. Nothing like 'em, and they're getting uncommon.


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Posted Yesterday, 04:10 PM

I suppose I'd better do this water pump.  It's not a bad job, and the knocking from the old one had been getting worse, so it was definitely a job I shouldn't put off any longer.  Pleasantly overcast today, so there wasn't the stress of being blasted by the giant angry yellow face.  To start, the coolant was drained.  I wasn't thrilled about doing this because what was in was still blue but as I flushed the radiator it proved worthwhile as it was holding onto some brown sludge that definitely needed flushing out.  Something about Princess radiators means they silt up really easily.

 

Once the water is flushed out, the pulley needs to come off the water pump, the timing belt tensioner unbolted, and the alternator (which serves as the tensioner for the auxiliary belt) slackened off.  Then the belt can come off and you can inspect everything.

42644280535_f49c0a3550_b.jpg20180721-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Happily, everything was pretty clean.  What I had thought might be an oil leak seems to actually be some stubborn old oil deposits slowly running off the engine when it gets hot because all the points oil can come out here are nice and dry.  I scrubbed it all down as best I could anyway and will of course keep an eye on things but there were no fresh oil deposits, just ever so slightly runny old bits.  When you get a new pump, you need to transfer all the old bits and bobs onto it from the old pump, or buy new fixings. I went with the former because they're still all good.  I also dunked the bolts in thinners because the bolt heads on the water pump pulley had been painted red for some reason and I'd never got around to cleaning it off.  Now was as good a time as any to do it.

41741418750_f635dfe237_b.jpg20180721-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The belt was still in great shape, as well it ought to be considering how new it still is, but the tensioner pulley isn't so hot these days.  It still spins freely, but the pitting on the bearing face has got worse and the bearing is just starting to feel a bit rough.  These are NLA as far as I'm aware so I'm just going to continue using it until I can replace or refurbish it as I don't think I have a spare.  Also shown here is the water pump pulley which I didn't repaint because I can do that in the future if I feel I really have to, it looks perfectly fine for now.

42644280425_7d24efb90d_b.jpg20180721-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

With everything in bits and the waterpump face of the block cleaned up, I had my lunch and left it all to dry.  Assembly is fairly straightforward, order goes waterpump (and gasket), timing belt tensioner, water pump pulley, auxiliary belt.  You finish off by tightening the timing belt tensioner and lifting the alternator to tension the auxiliary belt.  You don't need to remove the timing belt, everything feeds into place around it if you're careful and patient.

41741418530_57cbb55c5d_b.jpg20180721-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Then it's just a case of refilling with fresh coolant.  I was happy that once things started circulating there was no detritus or sludge coming through so things must be fairly clean in there, which is how I hope it stays for a while.

42644280235_17d07766c5_b.jpg20180721-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Started running it up to temperature and kept an eye out for leaks.  I'd replaced the one jubilee clip that wasn't quite clamping tight enough on a hose join with a smaller clip, and that wasn't weeping at all now.  Then I started getting a rather large and regular drip under the car.

42644280125_a04be2ca97_b.jpg20180721-07 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

41741418230_3d869c6e3c_b.jpg20180721-06 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

That turned out to be the thermostat housing cap again.  The thermostat housing is pitted, as they always are, but there's not enough material to safely file it back smooth because they made these housings out of the poorest material they could get away with.  Ideally I need to replace it, or at the very least get some metal epoxy and a rotary file on it to reprofile it.  For now there's a knack to getting the cap to seat just so and seal things so I fannied about with that for a while.  Eventually the leak stopped.

41741417740_3fb1b7b93e_b.jpg20180721-08 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The system bled really easily this time and the temperature climbed up to 3/4 to trigger the fan and then dropped to half gauge where it sat quite comfortably.  Heaters blow lovely and hot (not that I need them to at this time of year), and all systems seem as normal as they ever are.  Fuel gauge even woke up a bit today.  I'm pretty sure the gauge issue is in the dashboard, I'm just loathe to pull the dash out at the moment and instead keep an eye on my miles to gauge when I need to put fuel in.

41741418070_8eba031df1_b.jpg20180721-09 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

While I was checking for leaks I heard something down at the front of the car rattling.  A sidelight bulb had jumped out of its socket and was jiggling about in the cluster.  Easy enough to pop it back in place, but this might happen again because I noticed it doesn't really sit firmly in place like it does the other side so I reckon general vibrations will work it loose again in a few hundred miles.

42644280025_77e7ca795d_b.jpg20180721-10 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Finally I got rid of the first bit of purple in the engine bay in favour of some copper.  It's not as rich a copper as I was hoping for, it works well enough all the same.  Wasn't in a mood to get the starter motor on and off or to faff about with the oil filler tube, I'll redo those another day.  Then I can look at doing a more detailed clean of the engine bay which it needs with all the bodywork I've been doing.

42644279785_75950e0655_b.jpg20180721-11 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The knock I'd been worried about is now gone and I'm left with the noise of the tensioner bearing and the normal mechanical noise of a running engine.

 


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Posted Yesterday, 05:06 PM

its about time you got a montego thermostat housing and sacked of that poxy thing they lumbared princess & sherpa with


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Posted Yesterday, 05:18 PM

I know... but until the Rover is back on the road I can't risk doing any sort of work that's likely to disable the Princess for more than a day or two so I'll just limp along with what I've got for now.



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Posted Yesterday, 08:21 PM

pretty clean

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