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#3361 OFFLINE   fordperv

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 08:58 PM

Shit mate, glad it wasn't worse, I will always remember welding up a sierra for the scally rally for sutty2006, the usual sill and rear of sill rot, all was going great until we saw smoke from the inside, the bastard thing was on fire, he rushes for an extinguisher whilst im ripping stuff from the inside of the car and chucking it out of the way, he let off the extinguisher and bugger me that powder makes such a mess but it put it out no problem
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#3362 OFFLINE   SiC

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 09:00 PM

The mess from powder extinguishers is why they're no longer recommended for use indoors, as they can make too much smoke and impede escape apparently.
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#3363 OFFLINE   vulgalour

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 03:32 PM

Today went better, there was much less fire and hardly any swearing.  First job was to empty the boot and get the fire extinguisher in the workzone, because we're learning from yesterday's mistakes today.

44044046254_34bd8af7df_b.jpg20180918-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

44044046234_922d6285b7_b.jpg20180918-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The most awkward repair was the simplest looking of them all, which was the long strip that had rotted away.  Before welding this in, I cut a long strip to size then drilled holes so I could puddle weld it in place.  Then I found that he welding tip could have done with being chisel shaped to get into the line where I'd made the cut.  There's probably a better way to do this repair, inexperience meant I approached it in this way.  I don't have a finger-file either so I had to improvise by using a grinding disc, flapwheels have spoiled me because grinding discs seem much louder and aggressive and just hurls tiny bits of metal filings all over the place.

44044046114_3b4aa4aba6_b.jpg20180918-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The top outer and inner corners went reasonably well.  Getting into the inside corner to clean up the welds smooth is very difficult with my tools but the weld doesn't protrude so much it's going to make the seal sit wrong.  I've cleaned back what I can and then I'll use some seam sealer just to smooth out the uneven surface to prevent this being a water trap and causing the rot again.  I also welded up the extraneous trim holes along the top of the C pillar since I shan't be using those again.

44044045824_024d08ea16_b.jpg20180918-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

It looks okay.  It's certainly free of holes now, which is good.

44044045874_f097b4961f_b.jpg20180918-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

I was very much taking my time so by the time I was putting rust treater on everything there wasn't time to really do any of the next jobs.  It will give the rust treater time to do its thing and when I go back in I can clean everything down again and get the sealant and filler work done where required, then strip the paint off the C pillars and get the whole lot painted freshly ready for the screen to be reinstalled.  After that, it'll be new lights time, which should be a fairly quick job since I know exactly what I'm doing on that now.

44044045574_ef8b7d17ac_b.jpg20180918-06 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 


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#3364 ONLINE   Timewaster

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 03:35 PM

I must have turned over two pages..

Wasn't there a funky colour block pattern on the boot lid?
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#3365 OFFLINE   vulgalour

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 04:01 PM

There was, back in 2013.



#3366 OFFLINE   PhilA

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Posted 18 September 2018 - 06:47 PM

Now I really feel old.


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#3367 OFFLINE   vulgalour

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Posted Yesterday, 03:26 PM

More progress on this today.  I've decided to do the rear lights ahead of the filler work on the screen surround so that I can do all the filler work in one go when the lights are installed.  First up, disconnect and label the old light units, this should make wiring up for the new light units much easier.

44804654901_8c65226114_b.jpg20180920-01 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Then take the flapwheel and very carefully buzz the seam away where the buckets meet the back panel.  This was slightly easier on the inner buckets because I could wiggle them about since they're going straight in the bin.  The outers required a more measured approach.  I did a good enough job at putting these in that they were annoying to remove.  I'm also glad I made the decision to use just a couple of spot welds and seam sealer on the backing plates because that meant they weren't too difficult to remove and realign for the new lights.  This saves me buying and waiting for a new pair of cake tins to arrive to replace the outer buckets, so I can just crack on with the job.

44084856784_f480a89bda_b.jpg20180920-02 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The reason for removing both pairs of buckets is that the outers needed realigning.  The BMW lights have an angled back so the buckets for those weren't installed straight.  The new Ford lights have completely flat backs and are considerably easier to install.  Mocked up with a new bucket.

43894439845_94845e1b1a_b.jpg20180920-03 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

I do lose a bit of depth on the outer buckets, but not so much it's a problem.  The central chrome piece will stick out from the buckets with the red brake light buried behind them, which is the look I want.  The back panel has a curve side to side and leans out at the top so there's no straight edges to work with on the car, everything has to be aligned mostly by eye to begin with and then tweaked afterwards.  Here you can see the new bucket pushed into its new home and the old outer bucket, both will need material trimming off once they're welded in.  I found it easier last time to weld the buckets in place and trim the excess off afterwards rather than trying to trim them exactly to shape.

44084856614_d0a520e6d0_b.jpg20180920-04 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

The two holes matched in size does look better than the previous staggered arrangement.  This is no surprise because this is how I originally wanted to do it but had to improvise when I couldn't get a second pair of the Ford lights I wanted to use.

44084856514_04ce4d1fe0_b.jpg20180920-05 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Got some tape out and mocked up the new lenses.  That's why it looks wonky in the second picture.  I'm happier with this, it fits the panel shapes better and is much more what I had in mind.

43894439615_b071f97bfd_b.jpg20180920-06 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

43894439495_3a7c656c9e_b.jpg20180920-07 by Angyl Roper, on Flickr

 

Next job is to make all the backing plates match and weld those into the buckets before welding them into the car.  That will allow me to screw the lenses in place which will help with alignment.  I'm not sure I'll get this all done over the weekend but I should get a good way with it.


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Posted Yesterday, 03:39 PM

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Posted Yesterday, 03:58 PM

Aw this is gonna look fucking ace.
Nearly a year on from original idea (4th Oct last year) but now is the time to do it.

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#3370 OFFLINE   PhilA

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Posted Yesterday, 04:07 PM

Nice. I saw a pair of those lights go by the other day in my rear view, a little Ford pickup truck.

They look nice in the sunshine. I look forward to seeing this all painted up with all the afterburners in place.

Is the plan still to remove the fog lights below the bumper and integrate them?


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#3371 ONLINE   Tadhg Tiogar

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Posted Yesterday, 04:31 PM

I smiled when I saw the "buckets". They reminded me of cooking pots, a bit like this


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#3372 OFFLINE   PhilA

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Posted Yesterday, 04:47 PM

Great buckets of fire?

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Posted Yesterday, 05:20 PM

^ Aye. A couple of days ago there were real flames shooting out of those 4 round holes. How cool was that. :-)

Certainly cooler than any manky old Batmobile.
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#3374 OFFLINE   vulgalour

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Posted Yesterday, 06:39 PM

I've been given a good bit of advice on lining up the buckets using a baton of wood and some screws to hold them all in a nice straight line, so that's helpful and should save me a lot of time.

 

For the fog lights, I was going to integrate a single one into one of the clear lens portions of the new lights.  I've had a second thought about this and am now considering just moving one of the existing fog lights underneath the number plate and removing the other.  I won't know if that works until I see it in person, but if it does then it saves a bit of work and I'll simple have the two inner clear lenses as reversing lights.

 

I'm also not sure if I'm having all four red lights as running and brake, or having 2 as running and 2 or 4 as brake.  Decisions, decisions.



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Posted Yesterday, 06:46 PM

I was looking at dual red/white LED's here (popular for fire department and ambulance vehicles) and realized you need to change those to modern GM light sockets.

Why? Those are wedge base.

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Posted Yesterday, 11:35 PM

i would think 2 brake and all 4 tail


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Posted Today, 08:24 AM

Would it be possible to engineer scrolling brake lights that follow a circle counter rotating?  And hang on some nipple tassles.


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Posted Today, 09:49 AM

we aprove, this thread is much better without fire.


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Posted Today, 10:45 AM

Des:  Bit tricky to do scrolling brake lights with a single incandescent bulb and I'm not sure the tassles would suit me.



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Posted Today, 10:46 AM

I'd say having as many brake lights as possible can only be a good thing these days.
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Posted Today, 10:52 AM

Lightbulbfun probably be able to hook you up with some 1kW stage lighting bulbs so you can outshine even the brightest and most modern Audi brake lights.
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Posted Today, 11:08 AM

I'd have two running and four brake, because then it's more obvious you're braking.


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Posted Today, 11:56 AM

All 4 running for maximum speed, and lit during the day too for instant acceleration.
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